The Husband is the Head of the Wife

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Submission is NOT an ugly word.
Saints are to submit themselves to God. James 4:7
Saints are to submit to each other. Eph. 5:21
Saints are to submit ot civil authorities. 1Pet. 2:13
Saints are to submit to those have the rule of them spiritually. Heb. 13:7,17
Wives are to submit to their own husbands. Eph.5:22
If women are equal in authority then:
Then Christ is NOT the Head of the church BECAUSE the church is subject to Christ as a wife is subject to her husband. Eph.5:23-24
Paul was incorrect in saying it was FIT unto the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands. Col. 3:18
Then evidently the word of God is NOT blaspmemed as Paul declared when women are not obedient to their husbands. Titus 2:5
The example given of godly women in the OT by Peter 1Pet. 3:1-7 is incorrect and thus culture again trumps Biblical precedent.
The FACT is:
God in the curse commanded women that "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE." Gen. 3:16
If this curse has been lifted then do you ladies:
have sorrow in conception and does sorrow accompany child birth???????
If NOT then the man is ruler over women in 2007.
Culture has NOT eliminated the curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this question how could I be the ruler in my own house and my wife must Biblically submit to me THEN go to church and me submit to someone else's wife??????????????????????????????????????????

Again no takers????????????????????? Must have convinced the whole bunch I thought it was good but didn't know it was that good.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again no takers????????????????????? Must have convinced the whole bunch I thought it was good but didn't know it was that good.

We told you it was good, Brother. Are you waiting for the contrary ones to arrive or something?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We told you it was good, Brother. Are you waiting for the contrary ones to arrive or something?

I guess??????

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I guess??????

You just want someone to pick your brain to pieces because you are loaded for bear!

I've always understood the men/authority/submission thing - if you will. It seems to work better. It's the uncut hair I just never got. That's all.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right that is does not say, "a", but it does seem to imply it. Logically every man couldn't be over every women in a personal way, but could do so in a spiritual way - as in a pastor. The whole scripture isn't even saying that she has no spiritual use of her own anyway.

I disagree with this. A pastor has no more headship over me than he does my husband.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again no takers????????????????????? Must have convinced the whole bunch I thought it was good but didn't know it was that good.

As I said, a good husband would try to remove a curse from his wife as much as possible.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

I disagree with this. A pastor has no more headship over me than he does my husband.

He has to have some authority. How shall we hear without a preacher? Not saying he has any more authority than a husband over the wife. Spiritually he is the leader of both, but not in interference with the husband and wife, which would be, more than likely, in carnal matters, which wouldn't even be biblical in that case.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He has to have some authority. How shall we hear without a preacher? Not saying he has any more authority than a husband over the wife. Spiritually he is the leader of both, but not in interference with the husband and wife, which would be, more than likely, in carnal matters, which wouldn't even be biblical in that case.

What I am saying is that 1 Cor 11 can't be talking about pastoral leadership because a pastor does not have more authority over women than men.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

What I am saying is that 1 Cor 11 can't be talking about pastoral leadership because a pastor does not have more authority over women than men.

I wasn't necessarily talking about I Cor 11 in this instance, but the authority or position of a man and a women. I believe Brother Epley is focusing on the submission, which I am going with.

I would have to think that a pastor has some authority over both in spiritual matters as he leads and guides. I mean, the NT is placing and appointing positions - bishops, etc. Any set up of that nature, whether spiritual or secular, takes on the nature of authority for the one in that position.

I believe there is a balance to be had on our submitting one to the other, but the Word does say that a women cannot usurp a man's authority. That's pretty plain, IMO.

I believe I am in agreement with you when you posted this:

Originally posted by ILG,
I'm a little stumped at your view here, because I don't see the man being the head of the wife (as the scripture clearly states in other places in scripture) as having anything to do with control or supremacy. I see his being the head as being the one with the responsibility to lead the family.

Perhaps we are not understanding each other.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right that is does not say, "a", but it does seem to imply it. Logically every man couldn't be over every women in a personal way, but could do so in a spiritual way - as in a pastor. The whole scripture isn't even saying that she has no spiritual use of her own anyway.

Hi,you know I always thought the word was spiritual and it was written to spritual people.This is what they were writting about,spiritual authority.Man is head (authority).Man is spiritual authority of women.That means all men are spiritual authority of all women.1 Tim.2:12: But I suffer (allow)not a woman to teach, nor to usurp (take)authority over the man, but to be in silence (be silence when ?)When being taught.11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection