Just Wondering.....

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Neck

Let's get it straight not for financial gain.

It is where they receive their finances.

Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.

Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.

Yeah, I wasn't even sure what she was getting at in the beginning. I have a lot of respect for you, Neck, and stuck up for you later in this thread. But I don't believe the skinners are in it for money, no not at all. But, yes they do get some of their finances there.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

Alright Peeps, thanks for the kind words. But this is not the reason for this thread.

I really wonder why we are painted with such a broad brush. So many times, when people get hurt, they allow bitterness to set in and will not deal with it, because it is too painful. I know, because been there, done that. You MUST deal with bitterness as it comes.

We sometimes make unwise choices and then blame the people that we are associated with and make them the scapegoat and the reason we don't allow God to heal us.

I know minister who made a mighty big mistake and had an affair on his wife. She forgave him, but she had so much trouble and never really got over her bitterness toward the lady who messed up her marriage. In her bitterness, she allowed the lady to come between her and her God. In the end, the whole family backslid and messed alot of people up. All because bitterness, not just on her part but her children's also, was not properly dealt with. My husband has never commited adultery on me and I can't imagine the pain she had to deal with, although the Lord did allow me to help carry her and be there for her, but the bitterness clouded judgement and they really have never gotten over it.

So many times, on this forum, that is what I see. Not everyone that has walked away has bitterness that is not dealt with, but many of the people have been wounded in the house of their friends, I have been many times, and I'm sure it will happen again, because I choose to love people. I can't blame them for the mistakes I choose to make. I sure don't blame an organization or a group of people. Sure, if I get hit in the head by 20 people with a white shirt on, the next white shirted person I see, I'll probably duck and hide, but that doesn't make them bad because they happen to be dressed like the other offenders. I hope I'm making sense. I'm not casting judgement on others, but my goodness folks, just because I believe holiness stronger than most of you, doesn't put on the America's Most Wanted List.

I'm just like you, I get dressed on leg at a time. I may not agree with you in some stances you take, but that doesn't make you an idiot in my book. Maybe misguided or mistaken but not an enemy. That's what we need to realize, we are not enemies, just because I don't see things the way you do. Yes, I react over my faith being attacked. I didn't call names, just made a statement and then went from being "Sister" to "Mrs." Sorry that's just not right.

Many times, I have considered leaving this place, but I have really come to love and appreciate the people on here, well, some of them......and am thankful that I can come here and have fun and sometimes, when I need to..vent. I'm thankful that I can be myself, but if I EVER start attacking people and calling them names because I'm in a bad mood or I've had a rough week, I hope someone has enough compassion for me AND MY CALLING to say "Hey, now wait a minute.." Rico has done that in the past and made me stop and think about what I was saying. I am thankful that he cared enough for me and my reputation and my husband's ministry to call my hand on my attitude. Did I like, No...not at firtst, but he made sense when I calmed down and looked at the situation calmly.

I am not the judge.....(thank the Lord..) but I think we need to ALL take a step back and look at things with a new "set of eyes."

I think you and your peeps need to know this one thing.

Bitterness is not a synonym for person.

Many who have left the UPCI from top listed ministers to saints.

Have been targets of bad spirits, looks, conversation, judgement, disassocation, misrepresentaion, jealousy, strife, anger, abuse and on and on.

Then the person is labeled with the term, "bitterness".

Many times when the person procaliming someone has bitterness.

They do not know of the many times they overlooked these individuals over the years.

Having been 40 plus years in the loop and a couple of years off the chain.

I still see some very good family members in the organization getting chewed up for just the stupidest and petty things....

The funny thing is the, "I am more holy thing is still at work within it's ranks".

That was the reason many headed off to start the WPF.

In that split look at the ranker that came out towards those good men.

Take us lowly posters on AFF out of the equation.

Your own family the UPCI can't get along with it's own fellowship.

Atleast once in the past 4 decades there has been an exodus from the organization.

WHy because the message within the message has always been.

You either tow the rope or get pushed overboard.

So how I see... what some have stated happened to them over the years.

Is still alive and well within the rank and file today.

[Neck]

I am hoping that the post below which is #52 in the leaving the denomination thread is not the one you all are referring to about LCS and her personal gain thing. Please read my post clearly.

I refer to the fact that her point of view came from her position and status.

I was not stating they were involved with the their church for personal gain.

I was stating that her defense came from the fact they have there income, friends and status from being where they are...

If they wanted a real gain they could leave the mothership.

God does not stop blessing you after you leave.

You will however leave many judgemental friends behind....



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Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner
To be honest, Rhoni, I am so sick of you "spouting" this term and using it to bash and "experience" that I highly believe in. WE ARE NOT A CULT!!!!! And I, for one, am sick of people who really want to 'trash' what I, and many others on this forum, stand for, called this STUPID term.

I don't have time right now to finish this, but I will be back and complete my statement.

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LadyCoonskinner, Your tone spills the vile of the drumbeat that many are just sick of.

you speak to your experience and beliefs.

Many of which folks here are not opposed to...

But your view is very one-sided since you gain your position and status from the crowd you run with...

If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.

Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by ILG

Yeah, I wasn't even sure what she was getting at in the beginning. I have a lot of respect for you, Neck, and stuck up for you later in this thread. But I don't believe the skinners are in it for money, no not at all. But, yes they do get some of their finances there.

My point was association. I tied it to income, friends, family and position.

The fear of losing those if you break from the mothership.

That was my point.

I wonder how many Ultra-cons on the forum hide behind a screen name.

They are afraid to state who they are...

They might get themselves in trouble just for being on the forum.

As for me.

The only thing that could happen would to get banned from the forum...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Neck

My point was association. I tied it to income, friends, family and position.

The fear of losing those if you break from the mothership.

That was my point.

I wonder how many Ultra-cons on the forum hide behind a screen name.

They are afraid to state who they are...

They might get themselves in trouble just for being on the forum.

As for me.

The only thing that could happen would to get banned from the forum...

I understand what you meant. That's why I didn't even associate LCS's thread with what you said at first. As for me, I was VERY ANONYMOUS while we pastored because you can't put one toe outside the fence unless you are prepared.

I believe you can be totally sincere as a UC and yet what you say is true as well. The key is to believe it 100% and the CS's do.

[Cindy]

This thread and Rhoni's thread make me sad and disgusted. Especially sad. Lord I am tired, and want to really show love to people here. I have realized the ones that post the most angry and bitter posts need our love the most. Jesus help me to do that.

[ILG]

Do you know why I spent the day here? Because I don't feel well. Usually, if I spend all day here it's because I am feeling ill. Sometimes I wonder how conducive that is to getting better.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by ILG

Do you know why I spent the day here? Because I don't feel well. Usually, if I spend all day here it's because I am feeling ill. Sometimes I wonder how conducive that is to getting better.

I know, right. I have a bad sinus infection. And AFF helped me feel better.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

If you did not have the pressure to line up so you could have either your church, position, income or family acceptance.
Trust me you would look back and see that much of what you call the bullet proof gospel was more of a spell than gospel...

Here is the quote.....

I think you need to look back at what I responded to.

Once again I can assure you that you would not say anything on this forum.

That would be against anything in the manual.

Because that is your association.

I brought that out as your church, position, friends, income and family.

Why was that brought into the message?

Because if and when you leave the mothership.

You fear you would lose your church, friends, finances and in some cases family.

The idea of the "spell' over the gospel.

Was not in reference to the oneness of God nor Acts 2:38 message.

It was a direct reference to the concept of standards.

My father was told by the UPCI, state of Virginia board that he would lose his card if he preached again for Bro Frank Tamel in Wisconsin.

The church in Wisconsin had just started out of another assembly back in the early 1970's.

Bro Tamel had stopped by our house in Richmond to seek my dad's advice as to starting the church.

My father commented to him, "The Lord places the call". "Not man".

At the General conference that year.

It may have been Miami.

Many men told my father it may get tight for you Bro.

Because of the stance you are taking.

Well he got called in before the board.

Their decision was that he was not supposed to preach at the church for the next 18 months.

My father told the men in the meeting.

Fine the Lord does the calling.

Here is my card, thanks for your support.

Before he left the room they gave him the ok to continue to preach at the church.

Over the next 5 years he preached some 60 times at the church.

He was the only evangelist to peach there for the first few years.

That is why after his death in 1978, we moved to WI in 1980.

I still personally live in Oak Creek, WI.

What came of the church.

It became the largest church in Wisconsin.

My dad was warned of the idea of you will lose your friends, your status, your income....

Hello!!!! That was the basis from which I drew the reference.

Many will never speak their minds and in some cases I see anger from them.

I think because they wish they had the same guts to cut and run....

[Amos]

Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?