Changing Denominations - Page 11

Ron · #**101** 01-09-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

My comment was they could not sit under their own leadership.

Yet they expect others to follow them.

That goes for many more ministers than just the UPCI...

It goes for many business managers in the world today...

As for Managers, I couldn't agree more.

mizpeh · #**102** 01-09-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

I don't see much wisdom in saying your Pastor says "don't do it" but you do it anyway and let it roll off your back like a duck. It's more like STUBBORN. I'm sorry, but these comments get high-fived way too easy. If you are going to do things your way, then find a church that will do it your way. (I'm sure your pastor is a patient man that loves you.. and his police remarks mean... there is still things we do/don't do, but I won't be handing out citations.)

Your vision isn't perfect today!

Try reading her post again.

marthaolivia · #**103** 01-09-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Your vision isn't perfect today!

Try reading her post again.

Thanks Mizpeh, I am glad that someone understands what I was saying.

Shawn · #**104** 01-09-2009, 02:45 PM

For what it's worth.....

I believe in the Oneness of God, and Baptism in Jesus Name.

But deep down inside I really feel like we put a limit on Gods Love, mercy and grace. I don't belong to a church and haven't for years. I'd like to find one. But when I did I was strugling to see the love of our God....the one who died on the cross.

2020Vision · #**105** 01-09-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Your vision isn't perfect today!

Try reading her post again.

I did. Is there something you want to point out?

Rhoni · #**106** 01-09-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

I think many of the UPCI ministers in the organization.

Should be forced to go to another church and sit under the leadership for 6 months.

They should not share that they are a minister in the organization.

Then poll them and see what they think of the ministry.

They would say, "Man am I glad to get out from under this Napoleonistic atmosphere"!

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Originally Posted by Neck

I have not left the church and hold to many of the doctrines that are meant to be preached. Not the fables. I believe in parables not fables.

The actions of the hardliners on this forum us embarrassing to say the least.

It is again the old kick them when they are down.

If you were to try and reach someone who is leaving your mothership.

Are you sure these comments are the Godly approach?

I don't think so...

Much of the UPCI that I have live for the past 40 plus year was cultish.

Plain and simple.

It was control through fear and pressure..

Which by the way tears down faith.

Since faith is personal and we are not called to fear.

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Originally Posted by Neck

No healing needed.

I see someone being kicked after years of frustration and termoil.

I understand the entire UPCI thing.

I have family in it and out of it.

It is a 2 way street.

I could careless what standard etc you hold to...

If that is your place then fine.

Just get of your god soap box and stop opening the trap door to hell.

Everytime you see someone go to another church etc...

I have no issues with past pastors or people.

No healing needed......

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Originally Posted by marthaolivia

Rhoni:
I walked out of church approximately 30 years ago ( an independent-AMF-) because Of a lot of what I perceived then as plain ole interfering church ladies, and when my husband left because he said he could not live 'that way' meaning Apostolic, my then pastor told me that my place was with my husband. That didn't happen. Anyway, I could never forget about God, and it was only His love, mercy and compassion that I am in church today (UPC) I still don't fit the 'mold' and some people in church openly tell me that I am doing everything wrong since I trim my hair and wear a little make-up, but now I'm like a duck--I let the remarks roll off my back. My pastor has never been negative toward me in any way. He's the greatest! He has said from the pulpit that he is not our police but our pastor. All I can say is that it is between me and God now. I don't worry about what others think of me.

From some of your posts, I have sensed a lot of hurt and anguish. Who am I to judge you? I have never walked in your shoes but I understand. I only wish you the best in whatever decision you make. Just never let go of His hand.

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

I haven't read the entire thread, but I will say this. As long as you remain "A Christian" I can still call you "Sister", Sister. I kinda believe when you call yourself Christian, well, that makes you more Pentecostal/Apostolic than any of us. Including Dan A.

I agree with all these posts, and disagree with this one:

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Let's not play the role here. Roni has left years ago, but is not making an official statement. She has done so by publicly chastising a belief system many of us hold dear - on a forum where we all speak our opinions. Please notify me when this is a therapy session and not "contending" for the Gospel. Rhoni has hurt miles deep, and has been open about that. Meekness is not weakness. These "wish you all the best" and "you're still saved" remarks are more damnable than anything else. Love is not always a back rub and free massage. Sometimes it's (thanks John McCain) STRAIGHT TALK!

The most hurtful ones are the ones by Amos and Lady Coonskinner, and even 20/20Vision who would presume that their definitions and knowledge of the scriptures give them the right or authority to pour salt into already open wounds.

The hugs, love, and "Dear Sister" remarks are the most hurtful because they are the least sincere and the least grace & love filled. What you really mean is "Rhoni - take your hurts and go elsewhere because we are tired of your bellyaching"!

Rhoni

2020Vision · #**107** 01-09-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

I agree with all these posts, and disagree with this one:

The most hurtful ones are the ones by Amos and Lady Coonskinner, and even 20/20Vision who would presume that their definitions and knowledge of the scriptures give them the right or authority to pour salt into already open wounds.

The hugs, love, and "Dear Sister" remarks are the most hurtful because they are the least sincere and the least grace & love filled. What you really mean is "Rhoni - take your hurts and go elsewhere because we are tired of your bellyaching"!

Rhoni

Is this a play-by-play instructional on how you should be treated? If you're wounded, come to be made well, not to start fights using words like "cultish".

Amos · #**108** 01-09-2009, 02:51 PM

Dear Rhoni, what is it that makes it acceptable for you to call people cultists, but not acceptable for them to object?

Where is your sense of fairness?

Rhoni · #**109** 01-09-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Is this a play-by-play instructional on how you should be treated? If you're wounded, come to be made well, not to start fights using words like "cultish".

Now you are going to blame the victim for not being healed by you and others like you...You are too funny!

mizpeh · #**110** 01-09-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

I did. Is there something you want to point out?

This is what she said about her pastor:

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My pastor has never been negative toward me in any way. He's the greatest! He has said from the pulpit that he is not our police but our pastor.

Meaning her pastor lets the Spirit do the convicting when it comes to things that aren't outright declared to be sin or unholy. He has never reprimanded her for wearing a little makeup or trimming her hair. So she is not being stubborn or rebellious to those that have the rule over her and are watching out for her soul. The ones with the problem are other saints in the church that want her to tow a line that she doesn't feel God has drawn for her.

I hope I got that correct, Martha.