There is a question I want to ask; no names please:
How many Apostolic people have you know through the years have had what is considered a "nervous breakdown?"
I have known 5, 4 were ministry leaders.
Blessings, Rhoni
One, and it was not a minister or leader.
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Today on my way to work I was listening to James Dobson on FM 100.7. He had a guest Pastor from a Denton, Texas mega-church on there to tell of his experience with depression. The type of depression has been called a "Nervous Breakdown" before the public was educated as to what was really going on.
He needed to get the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues. He would of had the joy of the Lord.
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This type of depression is primarily among the most successful men & women, a high % of the fortune 500 people as well as those who Pastor large churches
Welcome to the American Church, where Jesus is a marketing tool and that the pastor is the CEO, and the place is run like a corporation.
Any Holy Ghost around? No? Nervous Breakdown? Why not, they run the place like a fortune 500 business they get heart attacks that go with them.
Good for them. They wanted to make filthy lucre they get what the deserve.
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and are highly motivated.
Highly motivated to take your hard earned money.
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This happens with Type A, & those with choleric personality types when they are completely overloaded, oeverworked, and their body reacts to the decreases Seratonin levels.
I have a cure for all that mumbo jumbo it's called R-E-P-E-N-T-A-N-C-E!
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In his experience he said that his co-workers and peers who are "Evangelical" were no help whatsoever.
Maybe it's because they were telling him things he didn't want to hear like, "get more preachers to help you", "you can't use all the tithes yourself."
"Get more men to be accountable to", You can't use all those tithes for yourself."
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He said that he was told the typical: just pray an read the Bible more, give it to God, and just get over it.
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Oh, I bet he just hated hearing that advise! That means he would of ended up growing a conscience and would of had to listen for the voice of God. Instead of his investment banker, and accountant.
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He ended up going to a psychiatrist who normalized this, described the symptoms, and through medication and counseling the Pastor was able to prioritize, let go of some things/works that he could delegat to others and within 6 months he was back to himself and off medications.
Way to go! Oh this guy is a lost potato, what is he the pastor of a Baptist church from the dark side? Where do they grow people like this?
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It was interesting to note that he said, "Unless you have been through it you cannot help others to understnad and know there is hope."
There's his cop out, right on buddy boy, unless you have a mega church you can't understand. What smoke and mirriors. The guy needs to get prayed through and get the Holy Ghost, speak in tongues for a week and step down from Christ-R-Us Church Inc.
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He strongly recommended that no one go to an 'Evangelical' for help with such a physiological reaction to depression caused by overload of stress.
But of course he would recomend not going a spiritual route, the shrink tells you what you want to hear and he gives you drugs.
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Your well thought out posts/opinions on this would be appreciated. Do not personalize this to me and what I do for a living. Please keep this on topic.
Thank you & Blessings, Rhoni
I hope I kept this on topic Sister Rhoni, and I don't know what you do for a living. Are you a head shrinker?
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
__________________ "Nikita Khruschev said, "the living will envy the dead," why are so many people bent on surviving a nuclear war?
He needed to get the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues. He would of had the joy of the Lord.
Welcome to the American Church, where Jesus is a marketing tool and that the pastor is the CEO, and the place is run like a corporation.
Any Holy Ghost around? No? Nervous Breakdown? Why not, they run the place like a fortune 500 business they get heart attacks that go with them.
Good for them. They wanted to make filthy lucre they get what the deserve.
Highly motivated to take your hard earned money.
I have a cure for all that mumbo jumbo it's called R-E-P-E-N-T-A-N-C-E!
Maybe it's because they were telling him things he didn't want to hear like, "get more preachers to help you", "you can't use all the tithes yourself."
"Get more men to be accountable to", You can't use all those tithes for yourself."
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Oh, I bet he just hated hearing that advise! That means he would of ended up growing a conscience and would of had to listen for the voice of God. Instead of his investment banker, and accountant.
Way to go! Oh this guy is a lost potato, what is he the pastor of a Baptist church from the dark side? Where do they grow people like this?
There's his cop out, right on buddy boy, unless you have a mega church you can't understand. What smoke and mirriors. The guy needs to get prayed through and get the Holy Ghost, speak in tongues for a week and step down from Christ-R-Us Church Inc.
But of course he would recomend not going a spiritual route, the shrink tells you what you want to hear and he gives you drugs.
I hope I kept this on topic Sister Rhoni, and I don't know what you do for a living. Are you a head shrinker?
I wonder if Beni would give that same advice to someone who is having chest pain because their heart enzymes are out of whack, or to the person newly diagnosed with Parkinson's, which is caused by a deprivation of a certain brain chemical called dopamine, or to the person who has diabetes, where a hormone isn't working well in the body as it should.
There are lots of health issues many have because of chemicals in the body (there are over 1000) that go out of whack for some reason. Medication and treatment is necessary (unless God heals you) or things will get worse, even death can occur.
Our moods (yes, even the ugly ones) are caused by chemical changes and imbalances that occur in the brain. Insomnia is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Our bodies are supposed to correct those changes and imbalances on its own, but when that doesn't occur within a certain time frame, our moods are altered and can cause problems.
It's posts like the one above that lead people to think there is no hope because it appears that someone doesn't care. They feel helpless and hopeless, and I'd hope that Bro. Beni isn't going to respond to someone in that manner in real life, but would take the time to listen, talk to, and pray with that person and be a friend to them, regardless of whether or not medication is warranted.
If we, as fellow Christians, would quit being so judgmental and listen to our hurting brothers and sisters and uplift them in the Lord, they wouldn't need the shrinks...at least the shrinks listen and try to help!
It's a shame that some resort to that route because we won't listen to them. The church is supposed to help the hurting, but instead, we push them aside and turn them away.
God, forgive us. Help us.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I wonder if Beni would give that same advice to someone who is having chest pain because their heart enzymes are out of whack, or to the person newly diagnosed with Parkinson's, which is caused by a deprivation of a certain brain chemical called dopamine, or to the person who has diabetes, where a hormone isn't working well in the body as it should.
There are lots of health issues many have because of chemicals in the body (there are over 1000) that go out of whack for some reason. Medication and treatment is necessary (unless God heals you) or things will get worse, even death can occur.
Our moods (yes, even the ugly ones) are caused by chemical changes and imbalances that occur in the brain. Insomnia is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Our bodies are supposed to correct those changes and imbalances on its own, but when that doesn't occur within a certain time frame, our moods are altered and can cause problems.
It's posts like the one above that lead people to think there is no hope because it appears that someone doesn't care. They feel helpless and hopeless, and I'd hope that Bro. Beni isn't going to respond to someone in that manner in real life, but would take the time to listen, talk to, and pray with that person and be a friend to them, regardless of whether or not medication is warranted.
If we, as fellow Christians, would quit being so judgmental and listen to our hurting brothers and sisters and uplift them in the Lord, they wouldn't need the shrinks...at least the shrinks listen and try to help!
It's a shame that some resort to that route because we won't listen to them. The church is supposed to help the hurting, but instead, we push them aside and turn them away.
God, forgive us. Help us.
Sis, all you saw was about the meds? Sister, I wasted a lot of time typing that stuff and you went straight to Mr. Preacher man wanting to take the chocks chewables?
The post from Sister Rhoni was talking about a preacher who was over loaded from his half a million a year salary, and having to think about changing the oil in Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe.
The Baptist was having a chemical imbalance he was having a spiritual crisis.
I would never recommend mind medication to anyone, I'd rather stay up all night and pray with them instead of them doing the mind meds.
If he would of come to me I would of done all that you said above. I thank you for being so nice in your post. You and I have crashed and clashed betimes, and it was different to see you respond in a cool manner.
Thank you for that.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
__________________ "Nikita Khruschev said, "the living will envy the dead," why are so many people bent on surviving a nuclear war?
Sis, all you saw was about the meds? Sister, I wasted a lot of time typing that stuff and you went straight to Mr. Preacher man wanting to take the chocks chewables?
The post from Sister Rhoni was talking about a preacher who was over loaded from his half a million a year salary, and having to think about changing the oil in Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe.
The Baptist was having a chemical imbalance he was having a spiritual crisis.
I would never recommend mind medication to anyone, I'd rather stay up all night and pray with them instead of them doing the mind meds.
If he would of come to me I would of done all that you said above. I thank you for being so nice in your post. You and I have crashed and clashed betimes, and it was different to see you respond in a cool manner.
Thank you for that.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
I'm trying to change my ways.
I have seen a better side of you as well in the last little while, and I, like Epley, who also speaks in a 'rough' way here, he's not like that in real life when dealing with real people. I admit that it's a bit different here.
And yes, I can see why you responded the way you did in that situation, but it was your responses that got me, not the reason why you responded.
I have to admit that in his situation, a lot of what you say I agree with. I should have clarified that I was speaking about any situation where people need us. I know the stigma is still out there, but I want people to stop being afraid to confide in a Christian, instead opting for the shrink who won't judge them like so many of us have and do.
I've been guilty of that as well, therefore I lump myself in with the 'we' and 'us'.
I should also state that I'm not for mind altering meds either, for the most part. I think our society is over-medicated as it is, having a pill to cure all that ails us until we feel nothing. That's not good.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Yep they do and it is sooo hard to eat your own words. LOL
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I wonder if Beni would give that same advice to someone who is having chest pain because their heart enzymes are out of whack, or to the person newly diagnosed with Parkinson's, which is caused by a deprivation of a certain brain chemical called dopamine, or to the person who has diabetes, where a hormone isn't working well in the body as it should.
There are lots of health issues many have because of chemicals in the body (there are over 1000) that go out of whack for some reason. Medication and treatment is necessary (unless God heals you) or things will get worse, even death can occur.
Our moods (yes, even the ugly ones) are caused by chemical changes and imbalances that occur in the brain. Insomnia is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Our bodies are supposed to correct those changes and imbalances on its own, but when that doesn't occur within a certain time frame, our moods are altered and can cause problems.
It's posts like the one above that lead people to think there is no hope because it appears that someone doesn't care. They feel helpless and hopeless, and I'd hope that Bro. Beni isn't going to respond to someone in that manner in real life, but would take the time to listen, talk to, and pray with that person and be a friend to them, regardless of whether or not medication is warranted.
If we, as fellow Christians, would quit being so judgmental and listen to our hurting brothers and sisters and uplift them in the Lord, they wouldn't need the shrinks...at least the shrinks listen and try to help!
It's a shame that some resort to that route because we won't listen to them. The church is supposed to help the hurting, but instead, we push them aside and turn them away.
God, forgive us. Help us.
Many times people can't get in our doors and get close enough to get help because of the attitiudes like Evangelist Benincasa. The ignorance of our attitudes lead people away from Christ and to Psychiatrists because the judgments and the rules imposed on believers before they even get to Christ. Many people want no part of the Christ some people believe in. Sometimes WE Apostolics are God's worst examples.
Those who have never been through mental illness related to transgenerational inheritance, or through situations beyond their control, or even by the sin factor and living a life contrary to a person's value system have no clue how to help a brother or sister struggling to keep their sanity and make sense of the chaos.
Thank God for those who have been there, done that, and came out victorious and can lead others to wholeness. Those who are led by the Spirit - they are the sons of God. Don't be guilty of putting God into the little boxes in our minds...he is much bigger than we can ever imagine...
And his word is forever settled...the things that we judge others for and about - will one day show up at our doorstep and we will learn the hard way and feel guilty about all the people we condemned in our ignorance.
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