My Church is the Only One That is Right - Page 11

warrior · #**101** 07-01-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

1. His word is truth and thus the True Church is not based on age of existence but the truth of the word. A church can be around for 2000 years and straw from the truth and no longer be The Church

2. Same as above, the church is not based on how many people know about it. These follow the pattern of a logical fallacy like an argument of numbers or an argument of popularity and an argument of antiquity

3. Isn't that true for most that never hear about The Church? BTW they need to hear the gospel, not about a church. And they need to believe it

4. why does the bible need to mention "it" by name since in the bible the church was never given a name......adjectives maybe, not not names

Prax, I totally agree with you. What I am referring to are the preachers that teach their congregation that they can only be apart of them if they want to see Jesus! This church, follow these rules, and no other....... I am not referring to the body of Christ and general criteria.

When you start staying that your church is the ONLY church that can and will lead you to Jesus then I think we fall into a very scary mindset.

Jack Shephard · #**102** 07-01-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Prax, I totally agree with you. What I am referring to are the preachers that teach their congregation that they can only be apart of them if they want to see Jesus! This church, follow these rules, and no other....... I am not referring to the body of Christ and general criteria.

When you start staying that your church is the ONLY church that can and will lead you to Jesus then I think we fall into a very scary mindset.

Agree, overtly cultish

Steve Epley · #**103** 07-01-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

So then women who cut their hair, regardless of their obedience to Acts 2:38 will not be in Heaven, therefore, uncut hair is equal par with Acts 2:38.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

No Acts 2:38 is the new birth that places one INTO the church. A woman who has obeyed Acts 2:38 becomes a member of the NT Church in the church the are commandments to obey one of them is for a woman notto cut her hair. She cannot disobey God's commandments and be saved.

Jack Shephard · #**104** 07-01-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No Acts 2:38 is the new birth that places one INTO the church. A woman who has obeyed Acts 2:38 becomes a member of the NT Church in the church the are commandments to obey one of them is for a woman notto cut her hair. She cannot disobey God's commandments and be saved.

Nice one can be saved but only on certain conditions...lol

Praxeas · #**105** 07-01-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Prax, I totally agree with you. What I am referring to are the preachers that teach their congregation that they can only be apart of them if they want to see Jesus! This church, follow these rules, and no other....... I am not referring to the body of Christ and general criteria.

When you start staying that your church is the ONLY church that can and will lead you to Jesus then I think we fall into a very scary mindset.

Those leaders have a cult mentality imo

Steve Epley · #**106** 07-01-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Nice one can be saved but only on certain conditions...lol

Yes like not to steal, commit adultery, lie, hate..........................there are conditions to maintain our salvation.

Sept5SavedTeen · #**107** 07-02-2008, 10:46 PM

Ok, I can definitely see Bro. Epley's point. He sees this as a commandment, and it is true, you can't disobey a command and still be saved. I was thinking of idolatry and fornication being places where "laws" are given in the NT, and 1 Cor. 11 having a more cultural meaning, and if it is commanding a covering, I would be more apt to say that covering is a veil and not uncut hair, so although I disagree with Bro. Epley's point, I can see where hair can be a Heaven or Hell issue for him. All I can say, I guess, is for the sake of the fact that Elder Epley is a NT elder, I implore/entreat him as a father, to consider this hair thing, because he may be judging unrighteous judgment and cutting certain members out of the Body of Christ, not that it will hurt those he misjudges, but it is an offense he will have to answer for against Christ's Body.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

StillStanding · #**108** 07-03-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Ok, I can definitely see Bro. Epley's point. He sees this as a commandment, and it is true, you can't disobey a command and still be saved.....

Really?

Mat 5:19 — Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Another translation:

NLT - Mat 5:19 - So if you break the smallest commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

According to this scripture, one can break a commandment and still be in the kingdom of heaven.

Actually, I believe Jesus was talking about those who were still living under the legalistic religion of their ancestors. Christ had come to free us from the law!

BTW, if you're the least in the kingdom of heaven, you're in pretty good company!

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

pelathais · #**109** 07-03-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior

How can people come up with this statement and believe it themselves?

1. Your church has been around less than 100 years.
2. Only you and the 10,00 people in your Diocese know about your church.
3. What about those who will never hear about your church? Will they be lost too?
4. Why doesn't the Bible mention anything about your church?

Well, if your "church" is in a Roman "diocese" it probably would be a bit older than "100 years..." See this map.

As to attempting to answer your question, "How can people..."? My answer is, "beats me."

Except when you consider how the human brain is wired. One of the most important stages of cognitive development in humans is the ego. This is when our minds grasp the concept that there is an "I" or "me;" as in "I am hungry..." and "my diaper is a mess..."

This stage of awareness is so vital that it sets the stage for everything that follows. Sadly, many of us have difficulty getting past the "I, me and mine..." stage and can only grasp the larger world through a very narrow focus upon our own needs and feelings.

Thus, when something seems "right" to us personally, we confuse that internal sense of satisfaction with being the external input from the Spirit of God. For far too many people (and Pentecostals and Apostolics are hardly the worst offenders here) the "Holy Ghost" ends up being confused with a hormone rush or a flood of endorphins. I've been in church's that experience revival when they started serving coffee before Sunday morning services.

An interesting observation (or a boring one... don't let my presumptions dictate your feelings) - many years ago the "big" Sunday service in most Pentecostal churches was the evening "Evangelistic" service. Sunday School was less formal and Sunday nights were the time for the "best" suit or dress. All of this despite the fact that most churches reported that the majority of their visitors came on Sunday morn.

Then the Starbucks' coffee shop phenomena hit the scene. Now, it seems that most churches are reporting their biggest thrusts are on Sunday mornings and the evening service has taken a sort of backseat in many places. Was this Sunday morning "revival" merely coincidental to growth in coffee shops? Or were the two related?

pelathais · #**110** 07-03-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Ok, I can definitely see Bro. Epley's point. He sees this as a commandment, and it is true, you can't disobey a command and still be saved. I was thinking of idolatry and fornication being places where "laws" are given in the NT, and 1 Cor. 11 having a more cultural meaning, and if it is commanding a covering, I would be more apt to say that covering is a veil and not uncut hair, so although I disagree with Bro. Epley's point, I can see where hair can be a Heaven or Hell issue for him. All I can say, I guess, is for the sake of the fact that Elder Epley is a NT elder, I implore/entreat him as a father, to consider this hair thing, because he may be judging unrighteous judgment and cutting certain members out of the Body of Christ, not that it will hurt those he misjudges, but it is an offense he will have to answer for against Christ's Body.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

One problem with 1 Corinthians 11 is that it does not state unambiguously that a woman must not cut her hair. And after giving a rather confusing explication of whatever issue is in mind, the apostle follows up with a "but we don't have any such custom and neither do the churches of God..."

In our urgency to be defensive about the "don't cut" interpretation, we rarely admit to the ambiguities and problems that exist in our own customs and traditions on this matter.

And for the record, and by way a introduction: none of the ladies or girls in my home have ever had their hair cut or cut it themselves. However, we just don't feel that we have the ammo to force this issue down everyone else's throat.