What was Paul's thorn in the flesh? - Page 11

triumphant1 · #**101** 06-10-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Much learning has made him mad.

LOL!!!

But what about the thorn.....

Baron1710 · #**102** 06-10-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

LOL!!!

But what about the thorn.....

You mean I should come up with some weird hypothetical and claim that that is precisely the thorn Paul had and ridicule others because they don't agree with me?

Hmmm let me see what I can come up with…

triumphant1 · #**103** 06-10-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

You mean I should come up with some weird hypothetical and claim that that is precisely the thorn Paul had and ridicule others because they don't agree with me?

Hmmm let me see what I can come up with…

That would appear to be the order of business on this thread...

1cor said he wanted to "debate" it...I gave an honest opinion...he tried to buffoon me...and has YET to give his version of the text...

So what gives???

rgcraig · #**104** 06-10-2008, 04:36 PM

I have a prophecy to make here..........

1C will not have the revelation of Paul's thorn.

Michael Phelps · #**105** 06-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

You mean I should come up with some weird hypothetical and claim that that is precisely the thorn Paul had and ridicule others because they don't agree with me?

Hmmm let me see what I can come up with…

It's entirely possible that we're over spiritualizing this.......maybe he just stumbled into a rose bush.

1Corinth2v4 · #**106** 06-10-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Ok, now we're getting somewhere! I appreciate your honesty.

However, I must ask the question - if it's appointed unto man (and woman) once to die, and a dear saint of God dies from an illness, how do you know that it just wasn't their appointed time?

I mean, who am I to say that everyone is supposed to die of old age?

How do I know that my appointed time will not be due to an illness?

And, what about people who die in accidents? Is it a lack of faith that put them in the wrong place at the wrong time?

What about Stephen, who was stoned to death? Did he not have enough faith?

What about the rest of the apostles who were martyred, did they not have enough faith?

I mean, the variables are endless..........therefore, I have a very difficult time saying that if someone dies of anything other than old age, it's simply because they didn't have enough faith to be healed.

Are these serious questions? lol

Baron1710 · #**107** 06-10-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

It's entirely possible that we're over spiritualizing this.......maybe he just stumbled into a rose bush.

Well then we can argue about which finger the thorn was in. I say it was his index finger on his left hand and he did it by doing a dance in the street after buying meat that may have been offered to idols.

Michael Phelps · #**108** 06-10-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Are these serious questions? lol

Yes, they are.

Obviously, once again, you don't have serious answers.

Your previous post implied that people should only die of old age.

I realize I may have jumbled your brain with my many questions, so I'll narrow it down to one -

Was Stephen killed (not dying of old age) because he didn't have enough faith?

Nahum · #**109** 06-10-2008, 04:53 PM

1. Paul, who was Saul, was a murdering anti-Christian zealot. How does one escape the memory of such actions, even after conversion? Memory alone could have crippled Paul. Remember his claim of "chief sinner?"

2. Why did Paul never marry? I think that is one of the most intriguing and unknowable questions in Christian history. The fact is, Paul's unmarried state defined the way he interacted with others, the way he wrote and the way he treated his ministerial companions. Paul was way harsh. Remember, it was not that Paul couldn't marry. It was an obvious preference of his.

3. "My grace is sufficient unto thee." God apparently felt Paul's thorn was not a sin, because if it were he would have forgiven Paul and delivered him from bondage.

Baron1710 · #**110** 06-10-2008, 05:01 PM

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1. Paul, who was Saul, was a murdering anti-Christian zealot. How does one escape the memory of such actions, even after conversion? Memory alone could have crippled Paul. Remember his claim of "chief sinner?"

2. Why did Paul never marry? I think that is one of the most intriguing and unknowable questions in Christian history. The fact is, Paul's unmarried state defined the way he interacted with others, the way he wrote and the way he treated his ministerial companions. Paul was way harsh. Remember, it was not that Paul couldn't marry. It was an obvious preference of his.

3. "My grace is sufficient unto thee." God apparently felt Paul's thorn was not a sin, because if it were he would have forgiven Paul and delivered him from bondage.

On number one I wonder if the God who forgives would deliberately allow someone not to forgive themselves and torture them with their past, doesn't seem consistent with forgiveness.

Number two, some believe Paul was married for instance F.B Meyer in his book Paul: Servant of Jesus Christ, makes a fairly strong argument for Paul having been married.