Br. Price, I agree with you, one is not holy if the outside is clean and inside is corrupt. I do understand where your coming from. It seems, sometimes, that people expect people to look and act like a 20 yr. saint in 6 weeks. As far as the percentage of 99.5.. I don't want to condescending but there are a lot of "conservative" Churches, and there is no way you know the content of there character in 99.5% of them. God will judge us by whats IN our heart. We may be able to dress "right".. and still have junk in our heart... but.. whats IN the heart shows up on the outside. And as Apostolics we are to teach Holiness on the inside and outside. Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. We must look like a seperated people, to assist us in winning people to the Lord. Lets not lose our identity.God bless.
TR
You must use Obama math. You got your percentage backwards.
Bro. Rutledge, you have to admit, in 99.5% of conservative churches, you do not hear a tenth of inward holiness (repentance) as you do on standards. This does not make one holiness, when the outside of the cup is clean, but the inside is corrupt. It makes them lost because there is no repentance.
You must use Obama math. You got your percentage backwards.
As the lexicon appears to be severely outdated (there are many references to NFCF, but not AFF), I am clueless as to what the phrase Tulsa Tango is referring to... Gimma clue?? Please.
Lets get this right!!
Tulsa Tango is where 6 great men of God, drew a line in the sand and when that line was crossed they had the backbone to stand up and say enough is enough and took a stand that UPC’s forefather would be proud of.
Tulsa Tango is where 6 great men of God, drew a line in the sand and when that line was crossed they had the backbone to stand up and say enough is enough and took a stand that UPC’s forefather would be proud of.
Dan’D
If only they truly believed the reasons they left. TV was a huge issue and I know personally that more than two of them watch TV.
I can’t speak for them but the ones I personally know, DO NOT.
Again for the ones I know did it for the right reason and I belive they were right.
TV was a part not all.
Dan’D
My problem is not even with the reason they left. It's a big, free world. You can decide to leave just because you don't like the way everybody smells. It's just when you get to contacting and inviting people out of the handbook that you have serious ethics problems in my opinion.
It's funny how that concept seems so hard to understand in this situation for some, but if it were to happen in their own local church...it would be crystal clear. If someone in leadership at any church decided to leave for whatever trivial reason, I say more power to you. If they get their hands on the church roll and begins to contact the membership to inform and invite them, I say that they are being highly unethical....and I'm sure pretty much every pastor would feel that way.
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My problem is not even with the reason they left. It's a big, free world. You can decide to leave just because you don't like the way everybody smells. It's just when you get to contacting and inviting people out of the handbook that you have serious ethics problems in my opinion.
It's funny how that concept seems so hard to understand in this situation for some, but if it were to happen in their own local church...it would be crystal clear. If someone in leadership at any church decided to leave for whatever trivial reason, I say more power to you. If they get their hands on the church roll and begins to contact the membership to inform and invite them, I say that they are being highly unethical....and I'm sure pretty much every pastor would feel that way.
At some point in life we need to draw a line and once that line has been crossed we can draw a new line Or some of us were tired of the game of drawing lines over and over again. Every time you draw a new line you lose something.
It would have been very unethical to do nothing.
Not every one is capable of going against the tide. It is easier to make excuses.
The Bible is full of strong principled men of God. The Bible is also full of men to weak to get out of there own shadow.
It took principled men of God to stand up and start WPF. The church is full of men who wish they could.
Our forefathers Clyde Haney, David Gray etc would not have stood around wondering what was happing. They would have been the ones making it happen.
If you can’t stand for something you will stand for nothing.
If a backslider came to your church would they recognize it.
This is what has happen to a lot of Jesus Name churches today. There are some Jesus Name Church’s that are no different then Baptist or etc.. This did not happen over night. It took them a lot of small steps for them to get as far as they have. This happen because they could not see the forest because of the trees.
Enough is enough! How far will you stand by and let things happen that you know are contrary to the foundations and principles we believe,
Men signing affirmations year after year, continually lying and it being permitted,
false teachers allowed in pulpits,
it was time for someone to stand up, someone with integrity and honor, who truly believed and lived by the laws set forth by God. You don't know them or otherwise you would have a different opinion.
At some point in life we need to draw a line and once that line has been crossed we can draw a new line Or some of us were tired of the game of drawing lines over and over again. Every time you draw a new line you lose something.
It would have been very unethical to do nothing.
Not every one is capable of going against the tide. It is easier to make excuses.
The Bible is full of strong principled men of God. The Bible is also full of men to weak to get out of there own shadow.
It took principled men of God to stand up and start WPF. The church is full of men who wish they could.
Our forefathers Clyde Haney, David Gray etc would not have stood around wondering what was happing. They would have been the ones making it happen.
If you can’t stand for something you will stand for nothing.
If a backslider came to your church would they recognize it.
This is what has happen to a lot of Jesus Name churches today. There are some Jesus Name Church’s that are no different then Baptist or etc.. This did not happen over night. It took them a lot of small steps for them to get as far as they have. This happen because they could not see the forest because of the trees.
Dan’D
This was not about holiness or standards, it was about men seeking their own agendas. Why do they list all of these ridiculous committees and everyone's name? Its crazy to have 50 leaders, men who were appointed by who? I prediect this little organization will ultimately fail. NOthing can sustain itself when its built upon confusion and rebellion.
My Bible has a little section about a person who sows discord and that is exactly what has been executed in this situation. The recruitment of men licensed with the UPCI is a good example. They still send out propoganda to licensed UPCI ministers. I believe that the sowing of discord is still wrong.
In addition, there are churches that have been longstanding UPC churches, until they get some pastor in who wants to move them out of it. I believe that if the want to be AFF then they should go and start their own church, not proselyte entire churches to their own organization.
George - as in curious
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