Forum is Ex-Pentecostal?? - Page 11

chosenbyone · #**101** 05-31-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Dan, you are the most divisive poster in Faithchild/AFF history.

Maybe, you should start a new thread polling members if they believe Dan is the most divisive poster.

CC1 · #**102** 05-31-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Maybe, you should start a new thread polling members if they believe Dan is the most divisive poster.

I would be voting a big yes. I believe he almost single handedly destroyed the balance AFF had between ultra cons, cons, mods, and libs.

I reallly wish this subject had not come up. However my views are nothing new. I have told Dan this to his face.

If he had been half as nice and tactful on the forum as he is in real life I think all would have been a lot better.

*NOTE* - This is my pesonal opinion. I am speaking as a poster not as admin.

Cindy · #**103** 05-31-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I stand corrected!! Sandra and a handful of others are the only reason I ever watch it so I had gotten my pastel colors mixed up. I average about two hours of TBN per year and that seems about right to me.

I was flipping through channels one night and saw a lady on the platform with pink hair, it may have been a wig.

Cindy · #**104** 05-31-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Maybe, you should start a new thread polling members if they believe Dan is the most divisive poster.

mizpeh · #**105** 05-31-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I would be voting a big yes. I believe he almost single handedly destroyed the balance AFF had between ultra cons, cons, mods, and libs.

I reallly wish this subject had not come up. However my views are nothing new. I have told Dan this to his face.

If he had been half as nice and tactful on the forum as he is in real life I think all would have been a lot better.

*NOTE* - This is my pesonal opinion. I am speaking as a poster not as admin.

Then Pelathais must have been the straw that broke the back of the ex-Conservative owners.

chosenbyone · #**106** 05-31-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I would be voting a big yes. I believe he almost single handedly destroyed the balance AFF had between ultra cons, cons, mods, and libs.

I reallly wish this subject had not come up. However my views are nothing new. I have told Dan this to his face.

If he had been half as nice and tactful on the forum as he is in real life I think all would have been a lot better.

*NOTE* - This is my pesonal opinion. I am speaking as a poster not as admin.

Sadly, when I met him a couple of months ago I asked (in so many words) that he stop being so difficult. Many of us here have grown weary of the constant state of attack that seemed to be DA's calling card.

To his credit though, he was a really a nice guy in person.

chosenbyone · #**107** 05-31-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

I know, huh?

CC1 · #**108** 05-31-2008, 09:10 PM

FCF, NFCF and AFF had acheived a rare and treasured dynamic where persons from every spectrum of Pentecost (except Branhamites!) could come and respectfully cross swords.

Of course at times lines were crossed. We all have been quilty of that (well all but probably Scott Hutchison. He apologizes for killing flies). However we always stepped back from the abyss, took a deep breath, and resumed respectful dialogue.

The very nature of conservative old time Oneness Pentecostalism does not lend itself to much introspection and certainy not public debate of it's doctrines, traditions, issues ,etc.

Many of what liberals and some moderates consider traditions are dearly held "biblical views" to conservatives. To have those views trashed, ridiculed, made fun of, and disrespeccted post after post, day after day had a debilitating effect.

AFF became a place where conservatives no longer felt respected, welcome, and on an even playing field. In short order most of them, the preachers anyway, took their marbles and started playing in their own field. I don't really blame them as much as I wanted them to stay.

Thankfully over time some never left and some are venturing back. I hope we don't make the same mistake again.

I believe in strong discussion and have crossed swords with every con and ultra con that ever posted on AFF but I have tried to do it in a way that a bond of resepct and friendship can be developed despite our differences. I don' always succeed but I try.

timlan2057 · #**109** 05-31-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Timlan? How is Timlan divisive? He ever only talks history! and specifically a history found between a certain time span and generally located in two states! I would like to see Timlan talk doctrine but I haven't, ever! (I may have missed it since I didn't learn of NFCF until its last 4 months)

FYI, Dan didn't post on NFCF.

Well, Ed is entitled to his views.

I sincerely don't think I was ever "divisive." Heck, I don't post that much anymore.

I am indeed ex-pentecostal and from a standpoint of "reaching and impacting the world" I believe "old time pentecost" with its extra-biblical traditions, lack of critical thinking and an uneducated ministry - has been a miserable failure and is losing relevance with each passing day, year and decade.

I do believe Dan is wrong when he pegs Ed as an "ultracon".

Within the paradigm of "ole time pentecost", PP is anything but that.

I like Ed.

I do find it a little amusing that he no doubt looks in the mirror and thinks of himself as liberal and openminded and issues-and-substance oriented.

Yet he does little lately but carp and gripe when someone doesn't express his exact views.

Like Doug White, Renfro and a few of the other Johnny-come-latelys who started this board, Ed believes that a "pentecostal' board should be such that liberals like Dan or CC1 should just chime in with a "Yes Massuh ... I gwine be good!" every now and then.

His definition of an "apostolic" board is where "ole time pentecost" wins when any other views, are hamstrung, censored and contrived.

I find that view rather contradictory in an otherwise pretty intelligent guy.

Now When I say that White, Renfro and PP are and were Johnny-come-latelys is that they were not around at the beginning when Jim Yohe founded Faithchild.

Jim, for the most part, believed "truth" could stand up to error and win because it was truth.

These guys try to prop religious tradition up as truth and think a message board should be censored and contrived to that end.

But ... as Lenin said ... facts are stubborn things.

These guys are so far removed from Jim Yohe's original vision of a discussion board it ain't even funny.

And no ... I'm not making Jim Yohe the pope or anything.

But anyway ... Ed is certainly welcome to express his frustration.

I just don't believe in "contrived" message boards.

Let the best argument win.

Ed is right on one thing though.

I do feel a discussion board such as this is an arena and while we "fight" each other, I am posting not so much to other posters, but to the lurkers.

Coonskinner and a couple of his cronies pooh-poohed the idea of message boards changing "ole time pentecost."

They were just whistling Dixie in the graveyard.

The internet is changing a lot of things.

But unlike these pentecostal preachers, I don't believe it is because people are weak minded and easily swayed.

I have more faith in human nature than that.

Change is happening because ... well again ... facts are stubborn things.

timlan2057 · #**110** 05-31-2008, 09:14 PM

... and isn't it ironic?

"Ole time pentecost" either sincerely or with motives in mind ... hollered and screamed over decades about the dangers of television.

Yet, the internet was accepted, mainly because it was the preachers' favorite toy.

AND ... the internet ... with open discussion and message boards ... is doing more than television could ever do to relegate "ole time pentecost" to just a footnote in religious history books.