8 miles of truckers

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That sounds awesome, Ferd!

There is so much good information about algae. Cleaning up oil and soils, etc.

The funny thing is, the idiot greenicks are just mucking up the process.

they cause more harm than good. these companies are doing this because they can make $$$ doing it. all the while, greenicks are telling us to do stupid stuff like spend money trying to create Hydrogen fuel which is extremely unstable and if one of those cars blows, it will take out a half a city block.

they want us to use florecent light which bumps millions of pounds of mercury into landfills which pollute drinking water.

they tell us not to drill in ANWR or off the California coast for oil which makes us dependant on the middle east for oil.

they tell us to drive unsafe mini cars to stop polution.

they tell us to burn corn ethinol that is expensive, drives up food costs, and isnt as effecient as gas.

they tell us all kinds of stupid stuff like that but in the 1990's cut off funding on Algae research entirely. well how dumb is that?

Green is the new STUPID

[DividedThigh]

green is the new stupid, i heard that somewhere, lol,dt

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The battlefield for that "war" would be ANWR and the coast of California. There are huge untapped deposits off of Malibu. There's a huge deposit of petroleum under North and South Dakota but it may be as expensive (and messy) to recover as the oil sands in Alberta.

I agree. Balancing our energy needs with conservation and Biblical stewardship of creation will indeed be a great battle. I’m told that there are “huge” deposits here and there. I’d like to know how large these deposits are and how long they will provide resources. Also this fix would take years before this oil would find its way into our fuel supplies. If we cannot drill without damaging creation…I’m not so sure it’s a good deal. We are Americans. I think those who say we must damage the environment for progress are selling us short. We put a man on the moon before any other nation on earth. Where’s the vision? Where’s the leadership on this issue? Ultimately we need to get away from oil entirely. It’s 2008. We need to develop hydrogen engine technologies and use more nuclear power. In my opinion this should be the primary thrust of our efforts…not so much additional drilling. If the drilling can be done without damaging the environment and is done with oversight, I have no issue with it. But if it will wreck that environment, I don’t feel comfortable saving money at the expense of creation. I believe that harmonic dominion is possible.

There are literally mountains of oil locked up in oil shale in Colorado. But you have to take down those mountains and cook the rocks to get the oil.

Unacceptable. I couldn’t support that.

What we need is a technological breakthrough. A whole new way of doing things. And throwing money into projects won't make it happen. Human genius shines the brightest when things are the darkest. FDR tried to spend our way out of the Great Depresssion but it took a monster like WW2 to really bring out the best in us.

I fear government programs like the "War" on Poverty which created more poverty, or the "War" on Drugs that only served to bring both war and more drugs to our streets.

We need to get away from oil as much as possible. It’s the old way of doing things. Of course there are powerful forces dedicated to maintaining their power and profits in our society. They will stand in the way.

I think we need to wake up and smell the coffee. In Europe they ride bicycles and use public transit as a main source of transportation far more than we do. I bought a bicycle and it’s become my way to work and back. That’s the way things are. We cannot maintain our current lifestyle when it comes to using gasoline like crazy. Americans are going to have to change their lifestyles. The corner store would make a come back. The community church would make a come back. No more mega-malls and super stores 15-20 miles away. No more mega churches 15-20 miles away out in the suburbs. We need to come back to a life that value “home”, “community”, and “family” and conserve until we find new ways of providing for our energy needs. The term “conservative” is based on the action of “conservation”. We need to learn how to “conserve” on fuel and our desire to burn gasoline like mad.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

green is the new stupid, i heard that somewhere, lol,dt

just remember, I said it first!

[ChristopherHall]

you assume, that is always a mistake, as usual you get your rhetoric from some moron dem blog, by the way did you pay 35 percent last year, well i did, and you dont deserve any more of your hard earned money than i do, i have kids in college, kids at home, a mortgage, family just like you do, dont kid yourself into thinking you pay any where near what others pay, if that is what you paid last year, i paid 10 times what you paid, and didnt reach the threshold you speak of, enough of this silly talk, grow up then talk, that is all, dismissed, dt

Dt, some folks paid far less in taxes than both of us. The difference between you and me is that I think they should pay their fair share. You and I are. That’s the issue. Also you have massive record profits coming from the gluttonous oil industries. They could afford to share more of the tax burden with the American people. In fact the founders would have taxed companies before individuals like us. Carry on.

[ChristopherHall]

Good stuff Ferd.

Well I will tell you what I think they ought to do, but we also need to think about what they shouldn’t do.

Dems are talking about price freezing. Talk about a stupid idea. That isn’t what needs to be done.

What if we simply told OPEC that we wouldn’t may any more than we are paying this instant until we see an increase in OPEC production? What do you believe would happen?

[QUOTE] But here is what I think needs to happen.

The Fed and the Treasury need to defend the Dollar. A big portion of the price of Crude is related to people taking money out of the Dollar and moving it into commodities.

The President needs to be talking to the Europeans about helping strengthen the Dollar. They are hurt when the dollar is week because we are an import nation, and that means their goods cost too much now.

I see no issue with that.

The congress needs to pass legislation that opens ANWR and a number of offshore areas for drilling for oil that they have put off limits. (Today Dingy Hairy Reed the Dem-o-rat leader of the Senate took Bush to task for wanting to ruin the environment. the dems need to get off that idiot box and get to work.)

I don’t think rushing down that road is wise. I’d open some offshore areas for drilling and see how environmentally friendly the process is first. Make them prove themselves to be clean and green. But again, that would take years before it would help our situation. Ultimately we need a completely new energy technology.

Congress also needs to pass legislation that lifts the restrictions on new oil refineries, and also need to pass legislation to make Nuclear power plants viable.

Local Democrats and Republicans in Ohio are supportive of using nuclear energy. I think that nuclear power needs to be invested in far more. As for new refineries. I’d keep pretty strong regulations forcing oil companies to build with new generation technologies that are clean and green. They have the profits to do so, it wouldn’t hurt them a bit. I heard that there has only been one effort by the private industry to build a new refinery in the past couple decades. It’s not like they’re beating down the door wanting to build refineries. When they did seek to build, if I remember correctly, they wanted to use technologies that are now outdated and they play politics with the expense of using newer technologies because if they can build a refinery they want to build it in the cheapest fashion they can…regardless of environmental impact. All new refineries should use newer technologies and be given extensive environmental oversight. With much power and profit comes much responsibility. If they whine…send them back to the drawing board. Of course, I work with Industrial Pretreatment in our wastewater plant. Pretreatment addresses violations and we see the dirty corporate politics daily. Based on what I’ve seen…I don’t trust them one bit.

Congress needs to make the bush tax cuts permanent to create a baseline.

Only if they cut spending. The war and all the initiatives of President Bush must be funded. Until they cut spending we need to roll back the tax cuts. We are at war. We need to contribute to the cost. I refuse to saddle my son and my grandchildren with the cost of this buffoonery. We as a nation have to come together and help pay for this war. I think it’s very selfish and greedy to argue for tax cuts while at war…especially when we see the expense of this war. Remember…remember, “Conservative”? Conservative…not Corporative.

That would be a great starting point. Unfortunately the Dems will likely fail this test... miserably.

I think they both will. They already have.

[ChristopherHall]

amen, ferd, by the way chris hall after the dems take your money they still dotn care about you, dt

Neither has any corporation or my Christian brothers.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

The funny thing is, the idiot greenicks are just mucking up the process.

they cause more harm than good. these companies are doing this because they can make $$$ doing it. all the while, greenicks are telling us to do stupid stuff like spend money trying to create Hydrogen fuel which is extremely unstable and if one of those cars blows, it will take out a half a city block.

they want us to use florecent light which bumps millions of pounds of mercury into landfills which pollute drinking water.

they tell us not to drill in ANWR or off the California coast for oil which makes us dependant on the middle east for oil.

they tell us to drive unsafe mini cars to stop polution.

they tell us to burn corn ethinol that is expensive, drives up food costs, and isnt as effecient as gas.

they tell us all kinds of stupid stuff like that but in the 1990's cut off funding on Algae research entirely. well how dumb is that?

Green is the new STUPID

It is the new stupid.

That's even bleeding into the candle business. Pitting the paraffin against the soy wax.

First, does any soy wax certify that the soy oil (and any other veggie oils) used in producing the wax is from 100% US grown soybeans and refined and hydrogenated at US factories?

Second, the process of separating soybean oil from the beans is accomplished by the use of the petroleum-derived chemical, hexane.

Third, heat is required to separate the oil. The heat is NOT derived from solar power or hydrogen power, but from regular petroleum-based fuels.

Fourth, the oil must be super-hydrogenated. Again, a process that requires the use of heat and other substances with a large carbon footprint.

Totally a ridiculous claim! SOY IS NOT GREEN!!!

Green is the new stupid!!! You are right!!

But, people will believe it!

[ChristopherHall]

Algae bio-fuel, I’d like to know more about it.

[DividedThigh]

whatever