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Old 04-17-2008, 02:10 PM
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Re: Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

while you are watching the documentary by the "unbiased" people at pbs, yeah right, dont forget that haliburton provided services on contracts in iraq that no other company at the time of the bids could provide, and many of there employees have been killed in iraq, but go ahead and listen to chris parrot the talking points of the lib media, enough for me, good greif, lol,dt
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while you are watching the documentary by the "unbiased" people at pbs, yeah right, dont forget that haliburton provided services on contracts in iraq that no other company at the time of the bids could provide, and many of there employees have been killed in iraq, but go ahead and listen to chris parrot the talking points of the lib media, enough for me, good greif, lol,dt
A lot of what Halliburton is doing was "no-bid". In addition their employees shouldn't be dying in Iraq. The problem is, it's a corporate war. I'm a Controller/Reconciler with the city government. I give requisitions to Purchasing and process bid tabs. There are ways to tailor a requisition to narrow the scope to get the comany desired. It's done every day.

Remember, I'm a government employee and that is part of my job.

As for something that is "unbiased"....there's no such thing as being "unbiased". Everything has a bias. The issue is...who's facts check out the best when the unknown details are revealed.
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:29 PM
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my whole point which i seem to have to explain to another govt employee is that everyone knows pbs is biased, good grief, have a nice life, i hope the govt supplies all your dreams, bye bye now, lol,dt
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:53 PM
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my whole point which i seem to have to explain to another govt employee is that everyone knows pbs is biased, good grief, have a nice life, i hope the govt supplies all your dreams, bye bye now, lol,dt
Bro...nothing's unbiased. You have to look up the facts and see who is telling you the most facts and the least spin.

I don't look to government to supply all my dreams bro. I just work for the government, have friends and family in other countries, have traveled abroad a bit, and happen to know about contracts and how private companies stick it to you...the tax payer. I save tax payers money every day by enforcing specification standards on contracts. If it wasn't for guys like me...Uncle Sam would be plundered by companies from coast to coast.

This is an example of spin...nowhere did I say anything about government supplying all my dreams. That's the spin and slander from your perspective...all I said is that you and I would save money with a universal health insurance plan...and I've explained how it would save you more of your own money. But....you'd rather be ripped off. I just find it amusing.

What do you do for a living?
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:58 PM
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the last thing i would like to see is the govt that messes everything up manage my healthcare , no thanks, i am a financial advisor, pretty sure i understand these companies and there sources of money, end of discussion, dt
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the last thing i would like to see is the govt that messes everything up manage my healthcare , no thanks, i am a financial advisor, pretty sure i understand these companies and there sources of money, end of discussion, dt
Do you “manage” your health care right now? If you have insurance, insurance companies can typically deny you a procedure if they feel it’s unnecessary or doesn’t meet their coverage requirements. Most folks cannot go outside of their network and keep full coverage. You’re healthcare is currently managed by a massive, wasteful, redundant corporate insurance bureaucracy. I got hurt at work back in 98 and needed surgery on my thumb. My insurance denied me coverage. Dude…what’s the difference other than private insurance costing more?
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Most don't realize that the soldier's parents, Noam Shalit and his wife, Aviva, have been begging Carter to secure their son's release for some time now. I think it's interesting. We're seeing a man with his hands open, approaching a vicious enemy, trying to be a voice for parents who want their son's release. Meanwhile the world jeers curses at him.

Dude...Carter's either a nutcase or a saint.

If it were my son, I'll be honest, I'd want Carter to secure his release.
Chris, don't believe everything you read online and less of what you hear on radio or TV. You are too young to remember when Carter was president and actions he took that devastated this country. Now we have people who are begging Carter, a man who looks like he's about to drop dead any moment, to secure their son's release, as if Carter has any power in this country???

Yes, Carter is a nutcase. Always was. His age isn't doing him any favors.
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Old 04-17-2008, 04:55 PM
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Let assume Carter didn't go to NK to try to negotiate a deal. Would things be significantly better?

Carter's failed attempts at negotiating with the NK does show the world that they are a rogue nation. Any use of force against NK will be more easily justified seeing that they lied and didn't stick to their end of the bargain in relation to nuclear weapons. So the negotiations failed...but politically it isolates them more and demonstrates to the world that they cannot be trusted. So not all was lost.
And you think Hamas is somehow more saintly of a people??? Chris, they refuse to obey any peace agreeements that they have even signed in the past with other peoples and nations!!! And you think sitting down with them is the first step in gaining peace from these terrorists??? You obviously don't understand the mindset here. I'll give you a clue in just three words...

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Chris, don't believe everything you read online and less of what you hear on radio or TV. You are too young to remember when Carter was president and actions he took that devastated this country. Now we have people who are begging Carter, a man who looks like he's about to drop dead any moment, to secure their son's release, as if Carter has any power in this country???

Yes, Carter is a nutcase. Always was. His age isn't doing him any favors.
That's a pretty strong judgment against a man trying to secure the release of an Israeli prisoner at the request of his parents. Why do you have anything against securing the release of an Israeli soldier who is being held prisoner?
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And you think Hamas is somehow more saintly of a people??? Chris, they refuse to obey any peace agreeements that they have even signed in the past with other peoples and nations!!! And you think sitting down with them is the first step in gaining peace from these terrorists??? You obviously don't understand the mindset here. I'll give you a clue in just three words...

THEY

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I never said that Hamas is saintly. In fact, these guys are nuts.

Please name an agreement made with "Hamas". From my knowledge we've not brokered any official deals with Hamas...policy doesn't allow it.

Carter stated earlier today that his visit isn't official business of the United States but rather a private meeting in which he hopes to secure the release of the Israeli soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit. Yes, he's sharing with both sides admonishions to work for peace, but nothing he's doing is official. You and I agree that Hamas are wackos, crazy lunatics. That means the days of Cpl. Gilad Shalit might be numbered. I'm surprised he's still alive. Carter might be his only hope. While I think Carter is a nut, I cannot bring myself to disparage an effort of any individual to save another individual's life. What if Carter or some other left wing nut case was trying to negotiate with an armed gang leader holding a gun to a cop's head? What bothers me is that according to your logic you'd be more upset that a nutjob like Carter was sticking his nose where it doesn't belong than praying that he succeed in getting the cop released and to safety.

You're putting your politics over the very life of Cpl. Gilad Shalit. Sure, Carter's a nut. He's not always got the best deals when it comes to negotiations. But the clock is ticking and the life of an Israeli soldier is on the line. Do you want this soldier released and returned to his family or do you want to undermine Carter's effort for political expediency because you don't agree with his politics? Why don't you want to see an Israeli soldier's life saved? Why aren't you setting your politics aside and praying for both Carter and Cpl. Gilad Shalit?
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