Too Religious to Keep Her Daughter: Are you next?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Pianoman,

I like that idea of a 'benchmark' administered to parents wishing to homeschool. The success of homeschooling is as much about the parents as the children. More intelligent children are capable of working and learning primarily on their own. Some need much more hands on teaching and learning through following examples.

Sorry if I broad-brushed the issue. I know there are some very successful homeschooled young people.

Blessings, Rhonda

The only benchmark there needs to be is yearly standardized testing. If the children pass the same tests that publicly schooled children do (and they usually do, with flying colors and much higher scores), then it shouldn't matter how they arrived at those scores, or who helped them get there.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

Huh? Did I stutter?

I don't know ... do you?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The only benchmark there needs to be is yearly standardized testing. If the children pass the same tests that publicly schooled children do (and they usually do, with flying colors and much higher scores), then it shouldn't matter how they arrived at those scores, or who helped them get there.

I'm not all that familiar with homeschooling. What happens if the child does poorly on the standardized test?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I'm not all that familiar with homeschooling. What happens if the child does poorly on the standardized test?

If a child does poorly on a standardized test, then that may be the time for authorities to evaluate the child, and determine whether it is learning disabilities or problems with the education provided. But I think that general testing should be the initial screener, and that would allow all the homeschooling children who are receiving an excellent education to continue as they are with no government interference.

If a child is not being well educated, there does need to be "interference." It would be nice, though, if the government would allow vouchers for tutors or private schools rather than forcing the parents to put the children in public schools, which some people have a religious conviction against.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Interesting to me that some people make it sound like conservative OP's are the only ones with such convictions about modesty in dress, etc. But obviously there are even some Trinitarians who do .

The anti-OP's seem to conveniently forget about "other folks" who have similar convictions. I guess demonizing and marginalizing these others wouldn't quite fit into their agenda.

Amish/Mennonite - Holiness Baptists - Holiness Trinity Pentecostals - Holiness Oneness Pentecostals - some Muslims - some Jews

These are all ultra conservative religious groups. Whenever I see them, I don't think about how holy they are. I think about how much they are consumed by their religion. I think about how there's no need to be so conservative, but respect their decision for their own life. To each their own!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

If a child does poorly on a standardized test, then that may be the time for authorities to evaluate the child, and determine whether it is learning disabilities or problems with the education provided. But I think that general testing should be the initial screener, and that would allow all the homeschooling children who are receiving an excellent education to continue as they are with no government interference.

If a child is not being well educated, there does need to be "interference." It would be nice, though, if the government would allow vouchers for tutors or private schools rather than forcing the parents to put the children in public schools, which some people have a religious conviction against.

Good thoughts! This way the child receives a good education one way or the other. The voucher program would assure that!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Interesting to me that some people make it sound like conservative OP's are the only ones with such convictions about modesty in dress, etc. But obviously there are even some Trinitarians who do .

The anti-OP's seem to conveniently forget about "other folks" who have similar convictions. I guess demonizing and marginalizing these others wouldn't quite fit into their agenda.

We do not have the market cornered on Legalistic Extrabiblical teaching.

We have a group in our area that have their bible colloge in our town.

They are called Bible Missionary's. they impose every ultra conservative "standard" on their people that we do.

From no rings to long sleeves to uncut hair on women BUT yet they do not believe the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for us today.


I have spoke to one of their members who told me Tongues were of the devil.

But their WHOLE religeon is made up of dress and behavior rules that would make any ultra conservative competitive holiness preacher proud.

You'll find very little about them on line as unlike us they realize it is an argument in ignorance to ban TV for their people and yet say Internet is OK.

All this Legalism....and no Holy Ghost / Tongues

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

CA courts just ruled that you can no longer home school your children if you are not credentialed to teach school.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...F0F1.DTL&tsp=1

Here where I am, they give parents the opportunity to take the Praxis I&II test and when a parent passes this test, you do not even have to send in your child's grades. If the parent has a certain level of education, then also, there is no need for to report either.. Standard testing is required for the homeschoolers...I think it is great and I look forward to my children taking it this year!

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I agree with this. I've seen too many children not get the education they need and deserve. The parents were well-meaning but not disciplined or educated enough to help their children. Now, I know this sounds biased, and it may be...but I have seen too many carbon copies of Mom and Dad who live off the sytem or off the church who could not hold down a secular job if their life depended on it.

Rhoni...please forgive me here but I think I might be totally misunderstanding you here...But those who live off of the system and off of the church are usually not the ones who are homeschooling... They would be the ones imo that do send their child to public school.....public school is just another part of the system. I find it is the more educated or concerned parent who desires to homeschool because they (1.) have the opportunity to do so with a parent who can stay home and teach and (2.) they are sincerely concered about the level of education their children are recieving. Most of the homeschoolers will often do better than public school children....and they usually don't end up living off the system....

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Rhoni...please forgive me here but I think I might be totally misunderstanding you here...But those who live off of the system and off of the church are usually not the ones who are homeschooling... They would be the ones imo that do send their child to public school.....public school is just another part of the system. I find it is the more educated or concerned parent who desires to homeschool because they (1.) have the opportunity to do so with a parent who can stay home and teach and (2.) they are sincerely concered about the level of education their children are recieving. Most of the homeschoolers will often do better than public school children....and they usually don't end up living off the system....

THANK you for saying this! Those who homeschool are usually those who have the means to pay for curriculum, outings, books, etc.

Most of the homeschooling parents I know (actually all of them) are financially independent, educated, highly intelligent, successful, patriotic, and religious.

Many parents can't wait to cart their kids off to Public Pre-K or Head Start (government Pre-K for even younger children) for one reason and one reason only: FREE DAYCARE.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

THANK you for saying this! Those who homeschool are usually those who have the means to pay for curriculum, outings, books, etc.

Most of the homeschooling parents I know (actually all of them) are financially independent, educated, highly intelligent, successful, patriotic, and religious.

Many parents can't wait to cart their kids off to Public Pre-K or Head Start (government Pre-K for even younger children) for one reason and one reason only: FREE DAYCARE.

Hey. By the time them brats get to be 4 or 5 years old yer sick of dealin with em day in and day out and are lookin for a way to get em outta yer hair for at least part of the day!!!! Surely you can't fault a parent for that, can ya?? LOL!