It's Time to Head Down to Splitsville

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by The Antagonist

So it appears.

Political posturing is an important element when you are headed to a show down.

Too many men desire to be God.

or maybe are just striving to make disciples unto themselves

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The ideology that is now trying to subvert ..... the entire system .... that's what did it for me ... but never did I try to use someone else's misfortunes to validate what I felt for a long time.

I still don't see how one person's misfortune is a reason to accuse someone of using this ONE EVENT to justify leaving an organization? You seem to think you're the only one who's had a justifiable reason in the past. These men are simply responding to yet ANOTHER action by those they have not agreed with for some time now. But, you don't seem to want to allow them that liberty? You simply write it off as UC's being UC's. Pretty sad.

Just call it like it is ... and stop trying to justify it

I call it choice. Just like you had. You have justified your actions for what you chose to do and so are those who have a decision to make about yet ANOTHER straw on the camel's back. If anything, I give them honor for sticking it out so long despite not agreeing with everything HQ decided. Some don't seem to have that kind of committment these days.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Esther

What exactly caught you by surprise?

Well, we had no resolution against the internet.

Technology surpassed our legal system. It was the Trojan Horse we let in without realizing that it would impact the way we view issues pertaining to media.

And now, with the technologies merging further, there are some too filled with pride to admit that it is time to have one consistent stance regarding ALL media. Others are accepting any garbage that is parlayed through any outlet.

Two very extreme points of view. Most issues in the movement are founded along that ideological fault-line.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I still don't see how one person's misfortune is a reason to accuse someone of using this ONE EVENT to justify leaving an organization? You seem to think you're the only one who's had a justifiable reason in the past. These men are simply responding to yet ANOTHER action by those they have not agreed with for some time now. But, you don't seem to want to allow them that liberty? You simply write it off as UC's being UC's. Pretty sad.

watch it! BOOMM already told everyone that the missionary thing is closed on AFF....

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, we had no resolution against the internet.

Technology surpassed our legal system. It was the Trojan Horse we let in without realizing that it would impact the way we view issues pertaining to media.

And now, with the technologies merging further, there are some too filled with pride to admit that it is time to have one consistent stance regarding ALL media. Others are accepting any garbage that is parlayed through any outlet.

Two very extreme points of view. Most issues in the movement are founded along that ideological fault-line.

Thank you.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Esther

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

It is important to note that the UPC will survive this. We have been through similar trials, though not this large, and not this drawn out.

It will be interesting (if this passes) to see if the prognosticators who predict a resulting charismatic trend are right.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, we had no resolution against the internet.

Technology surpassed our legal system. It was the Trojan Horse we let in without realizing that it would impact the way we view issues pertaining to media.

And now, with the technologies merging further, there are some too filled with pride to admit that it is time to have one consistent stance regarding ALL media. Others are accepting any garbage that is parlayed through any outlet.

PP, you do certainly realize that some men are starting to draw the line at the internet, too, right? It's pretty clear that the UPC is not going that way, though. I certainly haven't, either.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Issues that are and will be propagandized by both sides:

Holiness vs. Evangelism
Small Gov't vs. Bigger Gov't
Justice vs. Injustice
Spirituality vs. Carnality

Daniel brought out some good observations with this post, and it would be my recommendation to focus on these issues in your continued discussions as to avoid having this thread being closed because of the "missionary" debate....

Pastor Poster's "internet/media" observations are fair game as well....

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

Daniel brought out some good observations with this post, and it would be my recommendation to focus on these issues in your continued discussions as to avoid having this thread being closed because of the "missionary" debate....

Pastor Poster's "internet/media" observations are fair game as well....

Daniel's observations were entirely accurate, and well thought out.

I would hate to see this discussion die over the other issue.

[Malvaro]

carry on....