Saddam was a loose canon, a Hitler to his own people. Bush did right.
We had to do something and that something was better than nothing.
War was justified on 9-11-01, that was evidence enough.
Dude, you're ignorant of the facts. Yes, I'm glad Saddam is gone...but I want Bin Laden!
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Patriots? Like I'm not a patriot. Divded...I served as a 19K (M1 Tank Crewman) and 91B10 (Combat Medical Specialist). I assure you I'm just as patriotic as you are. I'm just trying to illsutrate that this is more complicated than merely "frag 'em."
i dont remember saying you werent, thanks for your service, dont assume anything at least when i talk, peace, dt
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We need to be a fortress...not an open camp with a chain link fence patrolled by Dobermans. Sure, those Dobermans are doing well right now...but eventually somethings going to get through and it won't be pretty.
The thing that allowed 9/11 to take place was weakened domestic security. Had they not been able to get in 3,000 Americans would be alive today.
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Bro...the terrorist attacks prevented on US soil are a direct result of excellent domestic counter terrorist efforts.
You frag 50 terrorists. In the eyes of their people, they become martyrs. Let's say on average each has 3 children, now you have 150 children growing up with fervently hatred for America and another 200 are inspired to die for their cause against "The American aggressor."...these will be the terrorists of tomorrow.
The strategy of dealing with a Super Power and terrorism is totally different. For example the entire USSR was dependent upon the economic and political infrastructure of the Kremlin. We cracked it and it crumbled. Terrorism is home grown. Today a dozen men may decide to be terrorists and suicide bombers. These dozen men may not even been connected in any way. You can't financially cripple them, they fight with home made bombs and weapons sold by dealers. Instead of fighting one bear...it's more like fighting a swarm of killer bees. You can kill a number of them...you can even blow up a hive...but a hives exist elsewhere and new hives will be built quickly. It will take continual vigilance. Do you only treat for bees and hornets with one gigantic extermination effort...or do you have to maintain a constant look out for the pests? It's going to take eternal vigilance from this day forward. With travel and technology, the world has grown smaller. Now were dealing with something other nations have been dealing with for decades, and some, centuries. We'll catch on eventually.
We have to insulate our country, our boarders, our transportation systems, our internal security efforts. Frankly, there are domestic counter terrorist efforts being conducted by the CIA, FBI, and various law enforcement agencies that are in dire need of more funding. In a sense we're short changing domestic efforts to play nation builder in the desert. Overseas operations should be strategic surgical strikes at confirmed terrorist targets. We don't go around pre-emptively invading nations at will. That only justifies the terrorists propaganda.
I was in the military John, ever sit in a briefing prior to a domestic terrorism response training exercise? Ever train for responding to a sniper in an urban theater of war? Bro..."frag em" isn't a sound defense policy. Secure the boarders and keep them out is. Strategically eliminate them where they are operating is. Pre-emptively bogging our military and resources down in a foreign country that didn't even attack us while we still have serious holes in our domestic security infrastructure is absolutely insane.
Ever, "frag", a man John? This isn't Hollywood.
Chris, you arent the only one who has served.... John and I have both served. Ive been in on a lot of training. i was in desert storm.
frag, nuke, blast, kill, distroy, what ever term you use, i dont care. the important thing is to make them understand if they hurt us, it will be worse for them.
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Fighting a superpower is like fighting one bear, you wound it, bring it to it's knees and kill it. This is more like fighting a swarm of killer bees. You cannot kill every killer bee on the planet. You can only attack recognized hives and insulate your property. If you see a hive on your neighbor's property, warn him and assist him with the removal.
Ignorant of what facts? If you have better facts, then serve America in the fight.
Are you FBI, CIA, Intelligents or anything useful to the cause?
You almost sound Anti-America and Bush in the war efforts.
Dude, I was in the military for 8 years. I had two MOS's during my time in. I served as a 19K (M1 Tank crewmen) and as a 91b10 (Combat Medical Specialist). What's you're problem bro? Are you or have you been in the military?
And yes...I think President Bush is "goofy" and often misguided, but I would do my job and take a bullet for him because he represents us, the American people. Also, I'm not Anti-American. Dude, you need to talk to someone about your anger issues man. lol
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Japan was a bear. Terrorism is a massive swarm of killer bees bro.
Maybe I can explain it better...the Japanese were loyal to their imperial government. Topple the government and they surrender. Terrorists are loyal to ideology. Each cell has it's own ideology and therefore you can kill every man in Iraq...those with the ideology will continue on...they lost nothing by loosing Iraq. The Japanese wanted to rule territory and own resources. When faced with defeat that wanted to at least walk away with their lives and their families. Islamic terrorists believe that death is their highest honor. Surrender is a fate worse than death to them. This is not about territory or boarders, or resources...it's about ideology...thoughts, namely the Islamic Fundamentalist ideology. The only way to destroy all Islamic terrorists would be to eliminate all Muslims...which isn't a possibility. Therefore we have to take a defensive posture that has STRONG international alliances, allows for surgical strikes against confirmed threats, and insulates us through domestic security by preventing them from getting in. And we have to accept this isn't a war one can "win" and file for the history books. This is a war we will have to be vigilant in fighting from now until Jesus returns.
I think you're not catching on because in all of America's previous wars we've fought "nations"...we've never really had to face an ideology like this. This is a war without end bro.
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