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[Thad]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

I don't know where you heard this, but I happen to know the Nix family VERY well, and NONE of them, to my knowledge, have been asked to "head up" any part of this.

As you have been quick to say, "Just wild speculation."

O please that line has really gotton OLD

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Let's be honest -- I could point out something that was done by one member of the UPC and blame the whole organization, but we both know that would not be fair. Just because one man did that in your presence does NOT mean it is the spirit behind those who are putting this together. In fact, since the guilty party is NOT on "the list," those involved cannot be held accountable for what that person did. I truly believe the men involved in this endeavor are doing their best to NOT allow "UPC bashing". That is not their attitude or spirit at all.

When did I say it was? You won't find me saying that anywhere, any time.

However, I have been in the presence of more than one individual that has done so. Maybe the chief's better call of their lieutenants?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

This is so disheartening. Men of the call are willing to lie and say things, just to get people to leave the UPCI, and join this new fellowship/organization.

May they see the error of their ways.

I also see they have a name for their organization...Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship.

After claiming that they had no intention to form a new organization here they are....forming a new organization.

I wonder how they can imagine that God will bless something birthed in a bed of lies? Is this what outward "holiness standards" can lead to? I can't imagine that God will bless this after so many have lied about it. Sure, they stand for dressing modestly and not having television...but if they can lie like the devil about this for so long it underscores the moral bankruptcy the movement will be founded upon. It reveals what spirit these are of.

Sadly, many good men are going to be swayed into linking up with them for fear of looking "liberal" if they stay with the UPCI.

I see Pastor David Smith in Brewer on the list. I'm assuming his son, Pastor Bradly Smith (OH) may also be leaving the UPCI. This is really sad. Starting a fellowship while lying about it only justifies the more liberal brothers who are staying with the UPCI. Maybe God allowed the television resolution to pass to flush out the old leaven.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Aquila

After claiming that they had no intention to form a new organization here they are....forming a new organization.

I wonder how they can imagine that God will bless something birthed in a bed of lies? Is this what outward "holiness standards" can lead to? I can't imagine that God will bless this after so many have lied about it. Sure, they stand for dressing modestly and not having television...but if they can lie like the devil about this for so long it underscores the moral bankruptcy the movement will be founded upon. It reveals what spirit these are of.

Sadly, many good men are going to be swayed into linking up with them for fear of looking "liberal" if they stay with the UPCI.

I see Pastor David Smith in Brewer on the list. I'm assuming his son, Pastor Bradly Smith (OH) may also be leaving the UPCI. This is really sad. Starting a fellowship while lying about it only justifies the more liberal brothers who are staying with the UPCI. Maybe God allowed the television resolution to pass to flush out the old leaven.

Hey, when I called them liars I received a seven day ban.

But if they are starting a new org (and it surely looks like they are), somebody owes me an apology big time!

Not to mention my friend Coonskinner, Steadfast, and others who claimed these men were of the highest moral integrity and would never double-speak.

My pm box is open, and I expect the apologies to start rolling in any moment.



NOT!!!!!!

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by Aquila

After claiming that they had no intention to form a new organization here they are....forming a new organization.

I wonder how they can imagine that God will bless something birthed in a bed of lies? Is this what outward "holiness standards" can lead to? I can't imagine that God will bless this after so many have lied about it. Sure, they stand for dressing modestly and not having television...but if they can lie like the devil about this for so long it underscores the moral bankruptcy the movement will be founded upon. It reveals what spirit these are of.

Sadly, many good men are going to be swayed into linking up with them for fear of looking "liberal" if they stay with the UPCI.

I see Pastor David Smith in Brewer on the list. I'm assuming his son, Pastor Bradly Smith (OH) may also be leaving the UPCI. This is really sad. Starting a fellowship while lying about it only justifies the more liberal brothers who are staying with the UPCI. Maybe God allowed the television resolution to pass to flush out the old leaven.

I will say again, just because they have a plan does NOT mean they will form an organization. Even a fellowship of unlicensed ministers needs a guideline.

I defend this, even if Bro. Riggen feels I am making statements I am not making.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Hey, when I called them liars I received a seven day ban.

But if they are starting a new org (and it surely looks like they are), somebody owes me an apology big time!

Not to mention my friend Coonskinner, Steadfast, and others who claimed these men were of the highest moral integrity and would never double-speak.

My pm box is open, and I expect the apologies to start rolling in any moment.



NOT!!!!!!

Are you talking to yourself again???

[Neck]

I am sure once they meet and put their constitution together.

They will be out seeking other churches to follow them.

Will they be black balled by the UPCI?

Will they themselves not let WPF churches to invite UPCI ministers to speak at their churches?

Time will tell...

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Aquila

After claiming that they had no intention to form a new organization here they are....forming a new organization.

I wonder how they can imagine that God will bless something birthed in a bed of lies? Is this what outward "holiness standards" can lead to? I can't imagine that God will bless this after so many have lied about it. Sure, they stand for dressing modestly and not having television...but if they can lie like the devil about this for so long it underscores the moral bankruptcy the movement will be founded upon. It reveals what spirit these are of.

Sadly, many good men are going to be swayed into linking up with them for fear of looking "liberal" if they stay with the UPCI.

I see Pastor David Smith in Brewer on the list. I'm assuming his son, Pastor Bradly Smith (OH) may also be leaving the UPCI. This is really sad. Starting a fellowship while lying about it only justifies the more liberal brothers who are staying with the UPCI. Maybe God allowed the television resolution to pass to flush out the old leaven.

WOW!!!! Now that a mouth full there!!

I will say at this point that there were people on this forum who were torn to shreds for stating that they were starting a fellowship.

will there be any apologies from the pastors/preachers who denied it ?

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

When did I say it was? You won't find me saying that anywhere, any time.

However, I have been in the presence of more than one individual that has done so. Maybe the chief's better call of their lieutenants?

By saying these people are "their lieutenants," you ARE accusing them of condoning these actions.

I maintain that they cannot be held accountable for the actions of those you mention any more than than the UPCI Executive Board can be held accountable for a few unscrupulous men within their organization.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Appently there are no Indians, either, on this list. But MY may make a trip there to ensure the Apostolic message is being preached in its purist form among the billion inhabitants ... ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF GODQUEST.

THe Bible does say, " Know those that labor among you"