* D. Bernard speaks out against forum *

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I think DB is maybe too concerned about his reputation among the conservative wing. He needs to give up, because reason won't neccessarily help his cause.

I think you are absolutely right on the bolded part. I do, however, greatly respect a man that will try his best to preserve unity with reason.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

Smith was forwarded a threaded discussion by an unknown CAF member and he took it upon himself to forward the thread to Bro Bernard.
Bro Bernard then wrote the response to the CAF members, sent it to Smith, and Smith sent it out in mass emails to different CAF members. The next AM DKB receives apologies from two of the CAF members who were bashing him.
I personally tried to warn Riggen of a Judas Iscariot on his forum, but never got a response from him.

Bishop Weber,

After reading your post, I went back through my inbox and did, indeed, find your email. I am not sure how I overlooked it, but wish now that I had seen it. I do appreciate you trying to give me a "heads up" about this situation, and apologize for the unintentional oversight.

Nevertheless, Brother Bernard and I have known each other for some time. As soon as I received his letter of response, I posted it (I was extremely busy at the moment, and had not even read it myself. Nevertheless, I felt it was important enough to be posted sight-unseen, as it were.) I have written to him, offering a very heartfelt apology, even though I was not the individual who attacked him. (Because it happened on my forum, I took full responsibility.)

I also told him that I regret so many will read his response who have never seen the forum and will assume that CAF is simply a "hit piece" for anybody and everybody who disagrees with us. That is not the case, and I assured him of that fact.

Again, thank you for your attempt to warn me. If I am not mistaken, that was the morning that I had between 2-300 emails, and tried to quickly peruse them. Obviously, I neglected one very important message.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

It's too bad Riggen wouldn't believe me he could have saved himself a lot of embarrassment.

It wasn't that I didn't believe you. (Please see the above post.) Nevertheless, I don't see how I could have "saved myself from a lot of embarrassment." Your email states that the deed was already done. Had you notified me PRIOR to this happening, it would have helped, perhaps. As it was, you stated:

"Dear Pastor

You should know that someone from your forum has copy, pasted, and emailed Brother David Bernard the entire threaded discussion ** started about him.

Looks like you have a Judas Iscariot amongst you.

Bishop Weber"

Please note the use of the past tense. It was obviously too late at that point to have stopped it.

By the way, the thread that was started was not "about him" (DKB). It was about the letter he wrote concerning the Tulsa meeting. There is, as you know, an important distinction.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

Pastor Riggen,

I too am sorry that you overlooked my email. It's very sad that men of like precious faith aren't able to get along, for betraying one another.

I'm glad you posted Brother Bernard's letter on your forum, giving him a chance to defend himself. Speaks well of yourself.

BFW

We are genuinely to facilitate the "getting along" by "men of like precious faith." However, with approximately 400 members, it is virtually impossible to control EVERYTHING that happens.

Furthermore, the thread in question was NOT a "dogpile" situation, as someone on this thread has suggested. It began as a discussion of Brother Bernard's letter and then, sadly, degenerated into a few references to his allowing of facial hair, a picture of his son, a remark about their youth band, and one or two references to Brother Bernard being a "company man." As I said, I apologized to Brother Bernard and assumed full responsibility for not having stopped it all sooner.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

I know Smith personally and I know what he is capable of so that is why I contacted you and should I have known about this prior to it being done I would have contacted you. NTL from what I read there was a couple of CAF members who were devastated about DKB finding out about their sayings of him.

Perhaps that is true, I'm not sure. I know some have mentioned they have written letters of apology, but I didn't realize anyone was "devastated" about it. Regardless, I think some people have learned some very valuable lessons.

By the way, how do YOU know so much about CAF?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

Smith was forwarded a threaded discussion by an unknown CAF member and he took it upon himself to forward the thread to Bro Bernard.
Bro Bernard then wrote the response to the CAF members, sent it to Smith, and Smith sent it out in mass emails to different CAF members. The next AM DKB receives apologies from two of the CAF members who were bashing him.
I personally tried to warn Riggen of a Judas Iscariot on his forum, but never got a response from him.

Who gives a flip who gave the info to DB ... that's not the heart of the issue ... the accusations did not come from him ....

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

Because I am the true CAF

You are a forum?

[SDG]

It's a diversionary tactic ... to put the blame on the whistleblower.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

No I'm the true Conservative Apostolic Father.

Oh, a Catholic, huh? Interesting.





Regardless, thanks again for trying to let me know what was happening. I will try to do better at paying close attention to my emails in the future.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Bishop Frank Weber

The Cohen and Smith are buddies he preached at his church this past weekend. But I am almost positive Reckart didn't have anything to do with this. This is one of Smith's underhanded acts possibly trying to prove a point to someone?

Without a doubt, Smith has been mad at me ever since he was banned from CAF. He has continued to write letters to me telling me how much I hate him, etc., etc., etc., ad naseum, and then wrote to me asking if I had any notes for a funeral sermon for a lost individual. I said I didn't, and he wrote back a rather angry response. The next thing I knew, all of this happened, with Smith rather gleefully forwarding Brother Bernard's response to me.