Chris reed joins the ministry elite

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Money.

The tv preachers want your money. Their message of “give to me and God will give you more,” appeals to their flesh and their greed.

I have an aunt used to, probably still does, send her money to Benny Hinn- praying that God will GIVE her a house.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by diakonos

The tv preachers want your money. Their message of “give to me and God will give you more,” appeals to their flesh and their greed.

I have an aunt used to, probably still does, send her money to Benny Hinn- praying that God will GIVE her a house.

Sad!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by diakonos

The tv preachers want your money. Their message of “give to me and God will give you more,” appeals to their flesh and their greed.

I have an aunt used to, probably still does, send her money to Benny Hinn- praying that God will GIVE her a house.

Just as bad as apostolic preachers that put a curse on you or going to hell to those who don't tithe

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Just as bad as apostolic preachers that put a curse on you or going to hell to those who don't tithe

Same thing.

Coercion, in any form is still antichrist.

Yet, my whole thought on these people is that money becomes the motivator to stay in the ministry "business." Esaias brought up in another thread concerning "3.5 years or 1260 years" a situation about Dalton Thomas Lifsey, founder, and president of Frontier Alliance International (FAI). How Dalton Thomas Lifsey committed the same crimes as the Chris Reed. Dalton Thomas Lifsey wasn't Apostolic, and neither is Chris Reed for that matter.

These are men who are weak minded, not only in self discipline. But morally. You can find strong minded individuals across the spectrum. From Atheist, to Hindu Sadhu. The same goes for weak minded people. There are people who have no business in leadership. Especially in the pulpit. But once they are rooted out, it is now your job, to keep them out. Just because we have some idiots who abuse their authority in Apostolic Pentecost, doesn't mean the whole community of leaders are soul devouring maggots.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Just as bad as apostolic preachers that put a curse on you or going to hell to those who don't tithe

You’ll get no argument from me. I’ve heard it stated many times, “if you don’t preach tithing people will not give.”

Those people are already not giving.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Then how can they be workers of lawlessness?

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Compare this scripture to,

Mark 16:17-18
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

One portion of scripture is saying there will be some that tell the Lord all they have done, yet they never knew him? They never had a relationship with him, there was never an intimate knowing of the Lord. Then how could have they done all this? It could be what they felt like they have done in "Jesus name" but really they took the lords name in vain, and accomplished nothing. Because before the verse in Matthew it talks about a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, a hypocrite will stat what they have done, but there is no fruit to prove what he has done.

Now, when we read Mark, it's saying as plain as the sun giving light, that signs are going to follow a believer. If there are no signs following you and I are we a believer?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm saying supernatural happenings aren't the proof, obedience to the will of God is. Is there a problem?

Not at all.

Im saying the supernatural will follow obedience to the will of God.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes but clearly obedience to the will of God is more weighty than prophesying or other miraculous works, amen?

I understand.

What is obedience to God without something to show for it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

You’ll get no argument from me. I’ve heard it stated many times, “if you don’t preach tithing people will not give.”

Those people are already not giving.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I understand.

What is obedience to God without something to show for it?

What was the fruit the fig tree was supposed to produce?