And what is frightening, and that I am agonizing to come to grips with, is that probably 80% of pastors at least would have the same smug, arrogant, and unaccountable attitude about this doctrine that Pliny and Flaming have. The tithe as taught by the likes of them IS our "indulgences" system that Luther exposed. I see no other option than to withdraw from the denominational ranks and begin crying out against it.
You obviously have no idea what "indulgences" were. And speaking about arrogance let's talk about yours shall we? Saying people have a, what was the phrase you used? Something about a "low moral character". Yeah that's not smug or arrogant is it?
We need to get printable tracs on the truth about tithing. There use to be a website that had some. Can't find it. Put them on windshields, mail them, pass them out etc.
Those who are called get moving and start a work. No sense in supporting these churches if they don't want you there.
I know pastors who have built successful, thriving churches who do not adhere to your tithing theory. One pastor's offering tripled when he publicly renounced the teaching from the pulpit stating that he had had a change of heart after further study and prayer. You see, that man had courage, something you know nothing about.
Oh yes... Emotional appeals always trumps Bible.
Good grief. And still resorting to name-calling? Flaming Z has stood against your tirade for some time now. Yours and others as well. I would say that takes some courage.
I didn't know Jesus came to destroy the law either? Where did you get that? Jesus didn't come to destroy, he came to fulfill, and bring the law to its fullest potential, which is why it is written now on our hearts, instead of on stone.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
These guys would rather bleed to death a few saints than win the world and let the finances come by faith.
Since you don't know me I expect an open apology for your remarks here. Although, I doubt that expectation will ever come true. Nice demonstration of your spirit though.
(Rom 13:10 ESV) Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Jer 31:31 ESV) "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
(Jer 31:32 ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
(Jer 31:33 ESV) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Lets keep it in context shall we:
(Gal 5:16 ESV) But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
(Gal 5:17 ESV) For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
(Gal 5:18 ESV) But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Gal 5:19 ESV) Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
(Gal 5:20 ESV) idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
(Gal 5:21 ESV) envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Gal 5:22 ESV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(Gal 5:23 ESV) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Those who are led of the Spirit are not "under the Law" because it is written in their heart and they display the fruit against such there is no law.
(Rom 13:10 ESV) Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Jer 31:31 ESV) "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
(Jer 31:32 ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
(Jer 31:33 ESV) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Lets keep it in context shall we:
(Gal 5:16 ESV) But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
(Gal 5:17 ESV) For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
(Gal 5:18 ESV) But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Gal 5:19 ESV) Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
(Gal 5:20 ESV) idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
(Gal 5:21 ESV) envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Gal 5:22 ESV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(Gal 5:23 ESV) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Those who are led of the Spirit are not "under the Law" because it is written in their heart and they display the fruit against such there is no law.
I see. That's nice. Is the same law written on everyone's heart who are led by the Spirit? Do they all show the same fruit?
Does everyone who isn't led by the Spirit display the works of the flesh listed above?
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We need to get printable tracs on the truth about tithing. There use to be a website that had some. Can't find it. Put them on windshields, mail them, pass them out etc.
Those who are called get moving and start a work. No sense in supporting these churches if they don't want you there.
Oh yes... encourage the ones in need of deliverance from the spirit of rebellion to leave instead of allowing God to deliver them from their wicked ways. Real nice.
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I asked when tithing is said to have ceased. Thank you for your response.
However, your emphasis on "tithing" here is wrong. This chapter is not about tithing. It's about the pre-eminence of Christ and His priesthood. Incidentally, Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek prior to the covenant of circumcision. Also since we are on the subject of tithing and Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek, and all the Levites as well, and Christs priesthood is patterned after Melchizedek and Melchizedek received tithes then Christ's priesthood receives tithes as well. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate that point.
Look at the passage again, the MAJORITY of the text is the Law and tithing, the CONCLUSION in verse 18-19 is the DISANNULMENT of the tithing Law. See how you shut your eyes to the HIGHLIGHTED words that were laced through the text and focused on the minor point?
BTW. The minor point is simply saying that Jesus came through the back door and not through the family of AARON. Thats it!
Referencing post #1039
Please notice the word "commandment" and "law" here....
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
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