The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Justification and Remission is a threat to who? LOL!

I just don't have the time to contribute to the nonstop discussion that goes on here. I am leaving on Sunday for Egypt and besides trying to pastor I need to get 10 messages together for a leadership conference in Alexandria and preaching in a few churches around Cairo.

I just want to say that I feel very uncomfortable with the extreme emphasis that some folks place on the Holy Ghost. One gets the impression that in their thinking the Holy Ghost is our Saviour instead of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost is servant not Saviour. The Holy Ghost leads us to Christ, baptizes us into the Body of Christ, empowers us, and leads and guides us in our walk with Christ, but let's not forget that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and it's in Him we must put our trust!

The Holy Ghost:
Saves Titus 3:5
Sanctifies Rom.15:16
the Earnest Eph.1:14
Seals Eph.1:13
Keeps 1Pet. 1:5
Guides Jn.16:13
Resurrects the righteous dead Rom.8:11
INpowers Acts 1:8
Bears witnesses we are children of God Rom.8:16
Sheds the Love of God in our hearts Rom.5:5
makes Intercession Rom. 8:26
But outside of that it doesn't do much for us so there NO need to emphasize it.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Holy Ghost:
Saves Titus 3:5
Sanctifies Rom.15:16
the Earnest Eph.1:14
Seals Eph.1:13
Keeps 1Pet. 1:5
Guides Jn.16:13
Resurrects the righteous dead Rom.8:11
INpowers Acts 1:8
Bears witnesses we are children of God Rom.8:16
Sheds the Love of God in our hearts Rom.5:5
makes Intercession Rom. 8:26
But outside of that it doesn't do much for us so there NO need to emphasize it.

Now Bro. Epley, you are giving the Holy Ghost too much credit... I believe there are comparable references to Jesus Christ, indicating that He does all of that. You almost make it sound like there is no division between the two... like they are synonymous references...

and to think... someone on here made a big deal because you tried to separate synonyms and give them different identities!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by philjones

Now Bro. Epley, you are giving the Holy Ghost too much credit... I believe there are comparable references to Jesus Christ, indicating that He does all of that. You almost make it sound like there is no division between the two... like they are synonymous references...

and to think... someone on here made a big deal because you tried to separate synonyms and give them different identities!

I have been called a "Jesus Only?"

The distinctions made is the different jobs done like you are a husband to your wife, an employee to your boss, a neighbor to your neighbor, a friend to your friend. I have NO problem with any language of the NT but the Holy Ghost itself does so many things you could make many distinctions.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have been called a "Jesus Only?"

The distinctions made is the different jobs done like you are a husband to your wife, an employee to your boss, a neighbor to your neighbor, a friend to your friend. I have NO problem with any language of the NT but the Holy Ghost itself does so many things you could make many distinctions.

I don't mind being called Jesus Only! That is because I know who He is and all that is encompassed in that name! We have ONE God, Father of all, Above All and In you all! His name is Jesus!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sanctification preceeds justification separating yourself from sin and the world and turing to God takes place BEFORE he justifies anyone. It is called repentance!

How did I mistake this as indicating your works were required for justification?
Maybe you meant to say it in a different way, "separating yourself" is quite clearly your works.

[Felicity]

Sanctification is an ongoing process. It starts with repentance.

Justification also takes place at repentance. It takes place by faith ... by appropriating what Christ did for us at Calvary.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Sanctification is an ongoing process. It starts with repentance.

Justification also takes place at repentance. It takes place by faith ... by appropriating what Christ did for us at Calvary.

This post would be excellent at the Justifcation thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...?t=706&page=12

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by keith4him

I do not fault you for using this, but this is the whole nature of justification, God declares us to be something inherently we don't have. Legally we are in right standing with God because of the righteousness of Jesus's offering. But in reality, you and I still have sin, either by commission, ommission or ignorance. Sin has infected humanity to point that it will never be eradicated from saved folks until a resurrected body. Oh, the marvel of salvation!!!

The reason I asked is because Sabellius stated that justification happens when a person believes the gospel before obedience to Peter's command in Acts 2:38 and that justification given by God at initial faith was necessary for Cornelius to be baptized in the Spirit. But the verse below seems to say we are justified upon being born again through the baptisms. I want to know the truth, when are we saved? Is it like PCI's say when we believe or is it like PAJC's upon obedience to Acts 2:38 or I think Sabellius may have a different view and I'm wondering what that is!

This is getting a little confusing for me!

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by crakjak

How did I mistake this as indicating your works were required for justification?
Maybe you meant to say it in a different way, "separating yourself" is quite clearly your works.

Nope when HE called like Abraham I went!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Moses I refused!
Like Moses I chose!!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Sorry, Bro, the word declares otherwise:

(Romans 5.1) "Therefore, being JUSTIFIED by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

You cannot do as the Jewish religious leaders and put your own requirements on those coming to God. Twisting scripture to suit your predetermined doctrines, is adding to the Word. FOLKS ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH (BELIEF) IN THE WORK OF CALVARY. Of course there is much more to follow by the sovereign work of the Lord, but you should not exclude those who have been justified by faith just because they don't fit your understanding, IN THIS YOU ARE IN ERROR.

I will bump this. I don't see anything added to faith in Romans 5.1, to be justified and to have peace with God. This is the gate, friends everything else proceeds because one has entered the gate, JESUS CHRIST.

We should not burden new believers with more than is necessary to get started, faith establishes right relationship with God. Like a new born child let them grow, TRUST the comforter to lead and to guide, as they are nurtured by the Word and the love of the body of Christ.