Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 103

Originalist · #**1021** 10-10-2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

Still obfuscating...

Please answer the questions if you can.

WHO instituted tithing?
When did the instituter cause it to cease?

You can continue to throw insults but you lack of answering these simple questions is conspicuous.

I will refrain from posting to you until you answer the questions.

As I said previously, the burden of proff is on YOU. You are implying that GOD "instituted" tithing before the Law without one verse to back your claim. To build a doctrine on assumption is dangerous and unscriptural. There is no Bible to supprt that ANYBODY "instituted" tithing prior to the Law. Therefore that makes your second question irrelevant.

I'll ask you now...

Based on CLEAR scripture, WHO "instituted" tithing before the Law?

No guesses or assumptions. Scripture please.

Rudy · #**1022** 10-10-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

Please give me the scripture that states the Mosaic Law ended.
Please tell me where tithes is ONLY for the Mosaic Law.

A "tithe" by definition is 10%:

H4643
מעשׂרה / מעשׂר / מעשׂר
ma‛ăśêr / ma‛ăśar / ma‛aśrâh
BDB Definition:
1) tithe, tenth part
1a) tenth part
1b) tithe, payment of a tenth part

Tithes under the Mosaic law were food items produced within the boundaries of Israel as commanded by our lord.

10% of what?

New International Version
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

You can't promote tithing money using mosaic law. Respectfully you are not rightly dividing the word of God.

No one here is saying not to tithe. The discussion has to do with a command to the N.T. church to tithe money.

Also those who were not involved in agriculture under Mosaic law were not required to tithe. This alone shows a flaw to those who say everyone is required to tithe.

The law has been fulfilled, need a scripture for that?

Now answer this question, what am I to tithe?

FlamingZword · #**1023** 10-10-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

You are arguing fron silence. If GOD did not command Abrahan to tithe to Mel, then you cannot cite that as a proof text that this is somehow a guide for us. How do I know God is not a parrot? The Bible doesn't say he's not. That is the level of your hermeneutical skills. And Mel was the KING of Salem and that is why Abe tithed to him.

Again, you are trying to justify pastor's claiming they have scriptural authority to teach 10% compulsory giving to the church. Please keep that point in mind. You are failing in proving such a power exists. Hey but maybe it DOES exist since the Bible does not expressly say it doesn't! Right? Maybe praying to saints and Mary is OK since the Bible does not expressly say NOT to. Right?

You are also arguing from silence.
The kettle calling the pot black.

FlamingZword · #**1024** 10-10-2014, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pliny

Still obfuscating...

Please answer the questions if you can.

WHO instituted tithing?
When did the instituter cause it to cease?

You can continue to throw insults but you lack of answering these simple questions is conspicuous.

I will refrain from posting to you until you answer the questions.

Great questions.
thank you for standing up against the anti-tithe crowd, who would muzzle the ox that threated out the corn.

Rudy · #**1025** 10-10-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Great questions.
thank you for standing up against the anti-tithe crowd, who would muzzle the ox that threated out the corn.

The scripture you are promoting has to do with food items. Is this what we tithe? The scripture is about assisting ministry. It has nothing to do about tithing money.

Notice what the ox was grinding--corn. See how hermeneutics lines up with the item that was to be tithe?

New International Version
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

How many times do we have to mention that no one here is saying not to tithe. The thread is about a command from our lord to tithe money?

Originalist · #**1026** 10-10-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You are also arguing from silence.
The kettle calling the pot black.

You obviously do not understand what an argument from silence is. i'm not the one trying to build a systematic plan of giving for the New Testament church based on a "maybe".

Originalist · #**1027** 10-10-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Great questions.
thank you for standing up against the anti-tithe crowd, who would muzzle the ox that threated out the corn.

You haven't even answered the question yourself. So why do think you have the room to boast?
So to you I also ask, who instituted tithing before the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious instituter.

Furthermore, please explain why we must adhere to your tithe theory in order for the ministry to be supported. Please explain why not adhering to the tithe theory somehow means we are muzzling the ox.

Originalist · #**1028** 10-10-2014, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pliny

Please give me the scripture that states the Mosaic Law ended.
Please tell me where tithes is ONLY for the Mosaic Law.

A "tithe" by definition is 10%:

H4643
מעשׂרה / מעשׂר / מעשׂר
ma‛ăśêr / ma‛ăśar / ma‛aśrâh
BDB Definition:
1) tithe, tenth part
1a) tenth part
1b) tithe, payment of a tenth part

The covenant that necessitated the implementation of the ceremonial Law has been replaced. Yes or no? There are no more animal sacrifices or a temple so there is no need of a priesthood. Without the Levitical priesthood there is no need of the tithe of the land (the only tithe that the Law had). But again, the tithe YOU teach NEVER existed to begin with, before or during the Law.

Originalist · #**1029** 10-10-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

The scripture you are promoting has to do with food items. Is this what we tithe? The scripture is about assisting ministry. It has nothing to do about tithing money.

Notice what the ox was grinding--corn. See how hermeneutics lines up with the item that was to be tithe?

New International Version
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

How many times do we have to mention that no one here is saying not to tithe. The thread is about a command from our lord to tithe money?

False teachers always resort to slander when they have not a leg to stand on doctrinally. They are just like the global warming crowd who thinks the burden of proof is on the one denying the claim instead of the one making it.

FlamingZword · #**1030** 10-10-2014, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist

You haven't even answered the question yourself. So why do think you have the room to boast?
So to you I also ask, who instituted tithing before the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious instituter.

Furthermore, please explain why we must adhere to your tithe theory in order for the ministry to be supported. Please explain why not adhering to the tithe theory somehow means we are muzzling the ox.

So to you I also ask, who cancelled tithing after the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious canceler.