Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

heeheehee yourself.

Proverbs 9

13 The woman Folly is loud; she is undisciplined and without knowledge.
14 She sits at the door of her house, on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by, who go straight on their way.
16 "Let all who are simple come in here!" she says to those who lack judgment.

With this somehow just relevant scripture in mind that is not what you said. I quote: "Saudi Arabia, the largest Muslim country"

Saudi Arabia is not the "largest Muslim country". Indonesia is.

Followed by:

Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco, Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, and Uzbekistan.

After that, there is Saudi Arabia with 25.5 million Muslims. Just a few more than China actually, who has 23.3 million Muslims.

In case you MEANT percent population Saudi Arabia is not the country with the highest percentage Muslim population either. Morocco is.

Followed by Afghanistan, Tunisia, Iran, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Yemen, Tajikistan, Iraq, Jordan, Mayotte, Turkey, Somalia, Azerbaijan, Maldives, Niger, Comoros, Algeria, Palestinian Territories

Then, at 97.1%, Saudi Arabia falls in line.

We were in a serious discussion. You are evidently not qualified to join that discussion. I doubt that you are qualified to tell from the above who is having the accuracy problem either.

Innocently wondering if you need further details about "life in Saudi Arabia"? LOL

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Oh yeah. That number includes 8 million foreign expats. The majority of those expats are non-Muslim. Simple math does not add up to that 3% but i really didnt need to go beyond the official number

Heeheehee right? Still funny? Shouldnt let that evangeliar make you think you are playing with a kid. You are not. Bet on that.

Are you threatening us?

Back to Saudi Arabia. Where is Mecca and Medina located? Direction of prayer? That makes it home to Muslims all over the world.

Jerusalem is home to the Jewish people.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Are you threatening us?

Back to Saudi Arabia. Where is Mecca and Medina located? Direction of prayer? That makes it home to Muslims all over the world.

Jerusalem is home to the Jewish people.

Wrong again.

Tel Aviv is home to the Jewish people. They only own part of jerusalem. There is a Mosque on Temple Mount.

Being exposed as wrong is not a "threat".

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Lol we seem to have a couple things in common. With that said i'm not even going to ask you what you are doing on a site debating Muslims. Fun aint it. Unlearned may not be exactly the right term. We should, all of us, know where teachings come from and what the basis for them is, differences are, basis for differences, what our stand is, why, and be able to articulate it. My view is if we do not know, then we are unlearned.

Why would it be wrong to ask me why I am on a site debating with Muslims? Ive learned a LOT about Muslims there

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Wrong again.

Tel Aviv is home to the Jewish people. They only own part of jerusalem. There is a Mosque on Temple Mount.

Being exposed as wrong is not a "threat".

Lots of cities are home to Jews...that was not what PO meant though

PO means Spiritual home...where their heart is set on

One wonders why Muslims built a Mosque smack dab on a place they knew the Jewish temple was...

Islam, long before the crusades, was a conquering army not an "evangelic force"...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Lots of cities are home to Jews...that was not what PO meant though

PO means Spiritual home...where their heart is set on

One wonders why Muslims built a Mosque smack dab on a place they knew the Jewish temple was...

Islam, long before the crusades, was a conquering army not an "evangelic force"...

Exactly! Thank you, Prax.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why would it be wrong to ask me why I am on a site debating with Muslims? Ive learned a LOT about Muslims there

I get the "why are you here" question a lot. Did not mean to imply that it is wrong, gave a nod to the fun that you probably have doing it.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Lots of cities are home to Jews...that was not what PO meant though

PO means Spiritual home...where their heart is set on

One wonders why Muslims built a Mosque smack dab on a place they knew the Jewish temple was...

Islam, long before the crusades, was a conquering army not an "evangelic force"...

PO said largest country, then mumbled something about percent Muslim population.

Glad you were there to save PO from further embarrassment. Good save by the way. She jumped on that like a starving beggar on a crust. Poster perfect example of why the letter to Timothy said what it said about who should teach and who should shup and listen.

Why is there a Mosque? They declared it a holy place and built a place of worship on it. There was nothing else there at the time.

History indicates:

Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice and turned it into a garbage dump, which is what it was when the Caliph Omar took the city in the 630s.

A better question is why would christians tear down a partially rebuilt temple in 615 AD and turn the location into a garbage dump? Is it your long unbroken history of peace or history of tolerance?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

PO said largest country, then mumbled something about percent Muslim population.

Glad you were there to save PO from further embarrassment. Good save by the way. She jumped on that like a starving beggar on a crust. Poster perfect example of why the letter to Timothy said what it said about who should teach and who should shup and listen.

Why is there a Mosque? They declared it a holy place and built a place of worship on it. There was nothing else there at the time.

History indicates:

Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice and turned it into a garbage dump, which is what it was when the Caliph Omar took the city in the 630s.

A better question is why would christians tear down a partially rebuilt temple in 615 AD and turn the location into a garbage dump? Is it your long unbroken history of peace or history of tolerance?

I see why your faith has a history of marrying little girls. You can't handle relationships with women. No wonder you cover them up like a bee keeper.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I see why your faith has a history of marrying little girls. You can't handle relationships with women. No wonder you cover them up like a bee keeper.

Irony: people who enjoy the beach in blue-jean skirts and point fingers at "beekeepers".

That's really funny.

Take your "relationship" fantasies with you to wherever the apostle Paul sent you to time out. If you take issue with his teachings well i guess you can hold a seance or something and complain in there.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yes. You do have one. You focus on sex and sex with children like a fixed laser.

Walks, it was you who first went and posted information on ministers who were involved in situations with Russian children? Then started a flurry of Google searches you cut and pasted to show UPC ministers who were arrested and their court cases concerning pedophilia. It was you Walks, not me. You're a Muslim?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

That's what I said. Thanks.

Your welcome anytime I can supply you with more rope let me know.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Are you claiming now that Abraham could not have known it was a sin and it actually was not a written and defined sin until the LAW was given by God? Are you claiming that nobody at the time was in a position to even define it as a sin? It just happened that Abraham married his half-sister because it was culturally acceptable at the time? Is this the reason that even though Abraham twice sort of "pimped" his wife (half-sister) off because he was afraid he would be killed for her God intervened on both occasions and blessed this marriage and made sure she was returned to Him, even though under God's law the marriage itself is a sin? That God overlooked this in favor of Abraham's commitment to Him?

Pimped his half sister? I have the fixation?

Obviously you didn't understand what I posted or couldn't care less, so you are continuing on with your make believe Muslim act.

Anyway, Abraham also did something else that is forbidden in the LAW.

Genesis 21:33 Abraham plants a grove of tamarisk and called on the name of the Lord. Yet, in Deuteronomy 16:21 that practice is corrected. Abraham was a convert, he and Ishmael were circumcised to enter into covenant to God. Abraham shows the converts journey towards the one true living God, half sister, lying, frightened, listening to his wife over listening to God, and planting trees at the place where you call on God. Yet, your priest Mohammad has no excuse for marrying and consummating a marriage with a pre-pubescent child.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Good. We are in agreement. With that said you were tasked (8 times now speaking of counting the number of times it takes to get someone to answer a question) to go and fetch the LAW on marriage that defines the sin of marriage to a young girl, in or preceding the 8th century because the law concerning who can and cannot marry is spelled out both in the bible and Quran and neither define an "age". Because there WAS a law and there WAS a church at that time, unlike in the time of Abraham, so there were hundreds of years available for this "discovery" of the meaning of Ezekiel to be made.

Ezekiel is proof positive of what the early Israelis viewed marriage to make a covenant between a man (GOD) and a woman (Israel). She is fully grown, and fully formed. Another thing, Roman law prohibited the marriage of children, and a Roman girl by law had to be 12 years old before marriage. This would include all those under Roman occupation. The Judeans during the First Century A.D. were not allowed to put a man to death, the reason being is that Rome refused to allow anyone under their occupation to commit capital punishment without first bringing it before a Roman magistrate. Same would go for any other Roman law, whether it was punishment, property, or marriage. Also, soldiers in ancient Israel had to be 20 years old, as Levites had to be 25. Jesus in Luke 2:52 the writer speaks of Jesus increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man, this is after the age of 13. 1 Samuel 2:26 the same wording is used. Luke 1:80 speaks of John the Baptist grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel. The same language is used in Ezekiel 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou HAST INCREASED AND WAXEN GREAT, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. The items mentioned, hast increased, waxen great, have come to excellent ornaments, and breasts fashioned (fully matured). Shows what the Ancient Israelite understood about marriage covenant. Hey, but you have no skin in the game to understand the Bible, I still doubt you are even a Muslim.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

So: If you cannot go and get it and you cannot find it and share it you're nothing better than a travelling four-flushing snake oil salesman. A showman. A fake. A court jester. A joke who believes you are exalted to define what is "sin" all on your own.

Go get some prohibition from the Bible saying thou shalt not rape a nine year old girl and call it matrimony? Walks, I'm not trying to convince you, if Jesus preached and David played his harp for you, you still wouldn't believe.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Otherwise, I fetched the law that is available, all of it. Despite your rabbinical claim I guess (since you dropped it like a hot iron) you must concur on that jewish law thing. (you won't admit you were wrong but I will cheerfully point that out for you. Least I can do. No problem. Really.)

The Jewish law thing? Law thing? Cheerfully point out what? That I explained that Talmud doesn't give rulings but is commentary of arguments concerning the Hebrew Bible? Or that different Rabbinical schools interpret everything from Torah to Talmud differently? No, the least you can do is admit you live in Texas, you can use Google maps well, and that you are an angry nut job.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You never answered Canon law nor did you provide anything remotely parallel to it from the church, any church. There is not a single verse outside of a parable in Ezekiel that only you but not the rest of the jewish or christian community has ever made a rule, or determination that this is REALLY what that verse means through all of history all the way up through colonial America.

Walks even Queen Esther was 14 when she married Xerxes, Romans made it law that a girl had to be 12, Jesus is commanded by his parents to come home with them at the age of 13, boys were fit for service in the Israeli army at the age of 20, and priests at the age of 25. But six year old brides having their so called marriages consummated at nine is no where to be found in the scriptures. You are loosing your composure because Ezekiel makes sense.

Go back and reread your posts to me from the point of me offering Ezekiel 16, you went from trying to discount it as being a mere parable to whining about a lack of Canon law concerning the chapter? Yeah, you're Muslim, as Muslim as Dean Martin once was.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Innocently wondering - suddenly you are quiet? no comments on taxes? location? mosques? age? No more evangelies about jewish laws or practices? Que pasa senor? I know right? Ouch. You find that pharmacy? This is the wrong place for you senor. You aren't getting anywhere here.

Que pasa senor? What now you are a Mexican Muslim?