Tithing…Is it a command?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Christ FULFILLED the Law on behalf of His elect. However, it still stands to condemn the wicked and unbelieving. The only way to escape eternal condemnation from the Law is to enter into Christ's elect body, the Church.

How do you come to that conclusion? The law never applied to gentiles?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

LOL!!!

Since some of you know so much about tithing please enlighten us on who taught Abraham to tithe?



Who said tithing should cease?

Get ready to eat your "LOL".

Pride always goes before a fall.

The burden of proof is on YOU, not us.

The burden of proof is on you to tell us where the modern system called "tithing" of giving 10% of your gross income is found anywhere in the Bible. Please tell us.

Abraham gave 10% ONE TIME, NOT of income or any personal possession, but of spoils of war. It was a custom to pay such tribute to the local king. Now, please tell us where God commanded Abraham to do it. Please tell us where he ever did it again. Please tell where he ever tithed his person possessions. Please tell us what hermeneutical model you use to say that this example of Abraham is some how telling New Testament saints to give 10% of their gross income. You'd be on safer ground to say that we are all called to offer up our first born sons because Abraham did. At least that was something God actually commanded him to do.

You asked, "when and where does the Bible say tithing ceased?" No, when and where does the Bible teach the system you refer to as "tithing"? Under the Law? Nope. So your question is pointless. Something that the Bible never taught to begin with cannot be discontinued.

So please step down off of your self righteous high horse before God knocks you off of it. You are teaching an extra-biblical doctrine that is no better than the garbage any cult would twist scripture to come up with.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

LOL!!!

Since some of you know so much about tithing please enlighten us on who taught Abraham to tithe?

When and where does the Bible say tithing ceased?

Who said tithing should cease?

What is a tithe and where is it located at in scripture? The Mosaic tithe ended when the church age began.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Should all OT instruction on tithing be followed?

If you are asking about the 3 tithes of Israel known as:
1) the Levitical Tithes
2) the Rejoicing tithes
3) the Poor tithes


This is my opinion.
1) the Levitical tithes is a ministry tithe to support ministry.Paul said to not muzzle the ox.
2) The Rejoicing tithes was/is specific to Israel as a nation not gentiles.
3) Helping the poor is no longer limited to 10%. We have a responsibility to help the poor even when it is more than 10%. James seems pretty clear to me.

I am not going to go through all the scriptures here. If someone is bent on arguing i will not argue with them over the internet. Since you seem to ask with sincerity I answered with sincerity.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I am not going to go through all the scriptures here. If someone is bent on arguing i will not argue with them over the internet. Since you seem to ask with sincerity I answered with sincerity.

The man who said.....

Since some of you know so much about tithing please enlighten us on who taught Abraham to tithe?

When and where does the Bible say tithing ceased?

Who said tithing should cease?

.........with a snotty, arrogant tone and now want s to talk about sincerity. BTW I answered all of the questions you asked and you did not respond.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Get ready to eat your "LOL".

Pride always goes before a fall.

The burden of proof is on YOU, not us.

The burden of proof is on you to tell us where the modern system called "tithing" of giving 10% of your gross income is found anywhere in the Bible. Please tell us.

Abraham gave 10% ONE TIME, NOT of income or any personal possession, but of spoils of war. It was a custom to pay such tribute to the local king. Now, please tell us where God commanded Abraham to do it. Please tell us where he ever did it again. Please tell where he ever tithed his person possessions. Please tell us what hermeneutical model you use to say that this example of Abraham is some how telling New Testament saints to give 10% of their gross income. You'd be on safer ground to say that we are all called to offer up our first born sons because Abraham did. At least that was something God actually commanded him to do.

You asked, "when and where does the Bible say tithing ceased?" No, when and where does the Bible teach the system you refer to as "tithing"? Under the Law? Nope. So your question is pointless. Something that the Bible never taught to begin with cannot be discontinued.

So please step down off of your self righteous high horse before God knocks you off of it. You are teaching an extra-biblical doctrine that is no better than the garbage any cult would twist scripture to come up with.

Okay. You cannot answer a couple simple questions.

How do you know how many times Abraham gave tithes?
Scripture records one instance but I didn't read that it said that was the one and only time.
Also, the local king would have been the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So you cannot tell us who instituted tithing.
You cannot tell us why it was instituted.
You cannot tell us what scripture states it ceased.

That's what I thought.
Have a nice life.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Rudy

What is a tithe and where is it located at in scripture? The Mosaic tithe ended when the church age began.

Please give me the scripture that states the Mosaic Law ended.
Please tell me where tithes is ONLY for the Mosaic Law.

A "tithe" by definition is 10%:

H4643
מעשׂרה / מעשׂר / מעשׂר
ma‛ăśêr / ma‛ăśar / ma‛aśrâh
BDB Definition:
1) tithe, tenth part
1a) tenth part
1b) tithe, payment of a tenth part

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The man who said.....

.........with a snotty, arrogant tone and now want s to talk about sincerity. BTW I answered all of the questions you asked and you did not respond.

You did not answer any of my questions. You simply obfuscated and blathered about things you apparently don't know the answer to.

Have a nice life.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Okay. You cannot answer a couple simple questions.

How do you know how many times Abraham gave tithes?
Scripture records one instance but I didn't read that it said that was the one and only time.
Also, the local king would have been the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So you cannot tell us who instituted tithing.
You cannot tell us why it was instituted.
You cannot tell us what scripture states it ceased.

That's what I thought.
Have a nice life.

You are arguing fron silence. If GOD did not command Abrahan to tithe to Mel, then you cannot cite that as a proof text that this is somehow a guide for us. How do I know God is not a parrot? The Bible doesn't say he's not. That is the level of your hermeneutical skills. And Mel was the KING of Salem and that is why Abe tithed to him.

Again, you are trying to justify pastor's claiming they have scriptural authority to teach 10% compulsory giving to the church. Please keep that point in mind. You are failing in proving such a power exists. Hey but maybe it DOES exist since the Bible does not expressly say it doesn't! Right? Maybe praying to saints and Mary is OK since the Bible does not expressly say NOT to. Right?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You are arguing fron silence. If GOD did not command Abrahan to tithe to Mel, then you cannot cite that as a proof text that this is somehow a guide for us. How do I know God is not a parrot? The Bible doesn't say he's not. That is the level of your hermeneutical skills. And Mel was the KING of Salem and that is why Abe tithed to him.

Again, you are trying to justify pastor's claiming they have scriptural authority to teach 10% compulsory giving to the church. Please keep that point in mind. You are failing in proving such a power exists. Hey but maybe it DOES exist since the Bible does not expressly say it doesn't! Right? Maybe praying to saints and Mary is OK since the Bible does not expressly say NOT to. Right?

Still obfuscating...

Please answer the questions if you can.

WHO instituted tithing?
When did the instituter cause it to cease?

You can continue to throw insults but you lack of answering these simple questions is conspicuous.

I will refrain from posting to you until you answer the questions.