The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[SDG]

and I the 1001st

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Acts 2:38 or hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought it fitting that I post the 1,000th post.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Acts 2:38 or hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought it fitting that I post the 1,000th post.

Water or Fire which do you want?????????????

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Water or Fire which do you want?????????????

I await your exegesis on why we are not JUSTIFIED until we go through the 3 steps, Elder.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I await your exegesis on why we are not JUSTIFIED until we go through the 3 steps, Elder.

Never said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A man is not justified without remission of sins. NOr is his sanctification complete without remission of sins. And God's seal on his life through the HGB is part and parcel of this experience. Not three steps three elements blood-water-Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Never said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A man is not justified without remission of sins. NOr is his sanctification complete without remission of sins. And God's seal on his life through the HGB is part and parcel of this experience. Not three steps three elements blood-water-Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So in your book when does this remission happen then? When is our sanctification complete then?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So in your book when does this remission happen then? When is our sanctification complete then?

When a man experiences the new birth! However a man that has repented is justified when his sins are remitted at baptism. His record is cleared and through faith his sins are transferred to the sin bearer and His righteousness is imputed to us. Repentance and Baptism completes justification and His infilling completes sanctification initially. I believe sanctification is entire but not complete my nature will need more mortification in my walk with Him.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Can't agree with you more. We are definitely on the same page. By stating that we are declared righteous before God before any baptism then you have conceded that if someone were to die before being water baptized or Spirit baptized they are saved ... a view that many in your ranks will not admit.

You are speculating on "possibilities" and judgement calls that you nor I are able to judge. I shall leave those to the Almighty. We can contrive "if and but" scenario's at random.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I too believe we are identified with Christ in baptism. I also believe it's necessarily important to be obedient to all of His commands. This being an initial command He has made for all of His children. Willful disobedience of this command will send you to hell ... as will not loving your neighbor or any other of His necessary and important commands - it constitutes unbelief my learned brother.

True. But, what does "necessarily important" really mean if not "essential"?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

However, to claim some type of synergy takes place during baptism is being BAPTISMAL REGENERATIONIST at its finest .... no amount of verbal contortion will can justify such statements ... when you have zero bible to support it.

According to this post I realize that you do not or did not really understand BR. That is why I posted what I did earlier concerning BR.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Baptism, loving you neighbor, living a holy life, etc. are all optional because we have free will, Sabellius .... but if we have placed our faith in Jesus and want to see Him one day ... all of His Words are necessary and important. Please refrain from the the playbook tactic of somehow marginalizing someone's by mentioning trinitarians in the same breath. Most of the Protestant faith stands with me on this Sabellius, sorry.

I did not post what I did by mere chance friend. It was for a purpose, as are most things that I will post. I will use them at some point again.

However, you are making a historical faux pas (blunder) here. The Reformation, which lead to Protestantism, historically occured around the 16th century. My reference, in an earlier post, concerned the "biblical writers" as well as the "trinitarian fathers." I am not aware of many "trinitarian fathers" of the 16th Century.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I will put My SPIRIT within you
and cause you to walk in My statutes,
and you will keep My judgments and do them.

Interesting that it says his HG will be put in us and cause us to walk in His statutes and keep and do His judgments...so many saved, heaven-bound Believers after having placed their trust in Jesus show this fruit of walking and keeping his statutes/judgments many years before they ever speak in tongues...

[JN Anderson]

Justification:

The doctrine of Justification knows at least two views (both views were presented at the 2003 UGST Symposium) in the UPC. Dr. Bernard holds the most prominent view (Justification is the experience of salvation) and then there is the second--the view of Dr. Segraves (Justification at the point of faith). The latter view is the one I hold. I would caution my friends and enemies, at this point however, that this view does not do violence to what we currently believe about the New Birth--for the most part (some people have some odd ideas).

In Genesis 15:5-6 Abraham’s only response to God’s promise, at that point, was that "he believed in the LORD." The verb translated "believed," indicates that Abraham trusted God to keep His promise. Actually no other response was even expected at that point. Although the genuineness of Abraham’s faith was later demonstrated, in a tangible way, as he offered Isaac, it serves Paul’s purpose to focus on the fact that Abraham was justified apart from and prior to works (the same example is given of David in Romans 4:5-8). I believe that, although faith results in obedience to God’s commands, justification occurs at the point of faith.

Genesis 15:6 indicates that because Abraham trusted in the LORD, God imputed or reckoned righteousness to Him. Because Abraham trusted God, he had a relationship with God. Genesis 15:6 says nothing about Abraham’s personal righteousness; it does not suggest that righteousness was imparted to him so that he was regenerated. In fact, according to Paul, just the opposite was the case: God “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5). The only possible meaning for this is that when ungodly persons put their trust in God, their “faith is accounted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5).