Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

We need to understand that the bible is not a book of rules to salvation, as much as it is a guide book that is given to lead us to relationship with God. It is further a lesson book of what can happen when we turn from God.

If you are an example of Christianity I for one do not want anything to do with your brand.

No worries....we do not fellowship those who explain away God's Word, or those as yourself who are worldly, for "the love of the Father is not in him." [I Jn. 2]. Problem w/ the libs is they can dish it out, but..............

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Are you stressed?

Oh yes....I'm having a panic attack over here...someone pls. call Dr. Phil, since I'm sure you all have T.V.'s as well as jewelry. .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, I didn't overlook it. But context is as important to the definition as the, well, definition. Since the meaning of "vile" can mean "dirty, cheap, shabby, morally wicked or vile", then you have to use context to help decide which meaning fits the passage.

Since the verses following verse 2 repeatedly emphasis "poor" vs. "rich", it fits the context to assume that "vile raiment" means "dirty, cheap or shabby" which would be associated with someone poor. Nowhere in the passage does it indicate that the poor man is assumed to be wicked.

That isn't a liberal interpretation, rdp. Just because the word is used differently elsewhere doesn't mean it has to mean that everywhere in the NT. Your interpretation isn't even close to being accurate or logical.



Goodbye? Do you really mean that? I'm thinkin' you'll be back. lol

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

Not so fast there


Rom 15:26

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the POOR saints which are at Jerusalem.
KJV



Now does that mean they were literally beggars or just described there financial/material state??

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

The author of the Psalm testifies to having never seen God's seed begging bread. That was his personal experience. Perhaps the tithing system of the Old Testament in which one third went to the poor was working. There have been, however, many poor Christians and some have been beggars. Some of the heroes of the faith listed in Hebrews 11 were homeless and destitute (Hebrews 11:36-40)

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yes....I'm having a panic attack over here...someone pls. call Dr. Phil, since I'm sure you all have T.V.'s as well as jewelry. .

Oh my... not a TV! Let me guess, you twist some other scripture to dogmatize television prohibitions.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

Wow. Sometimes you show moments of great competence, and then it's all deducted away when you say things like this, RDP.

Are you suggesting the correct word for our English translation in the passage is "beggar" because that's one of those "denotations?" Seriously? And are you suggesting that none of God's children has ever been so poor they've had to beg for money? Have you been to Africa, Bro. RDP?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Sam

The author of the Psalm testifies to having never seen God's seed begging bread. That was his personal experience. Perhaps the tithing system of the Old Testament in which one third went to the poor was working. There have been, however, many poor Christians and some have been beggars. Some of the heroes of the faith listed in Hebrews 11 were homeless and destitute (Hebrews 11:36-40)

Bingo!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

rdp -

You do realize you make very little sense, right?

The meaning of the word "poor [man]" from Strong's:

From πτώσσω ptōssō (to crouch; akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098); a beggar (as cringing), that is, pauper (strictly denoting absolute or public mendicancy, although also used in a qualified or relative sense; whereas G3993 properly means only straitened circumstances in private), literally (often as noun) or figuratively (distressed): - beggar (-ly), poor.

As you can see, it could literally mean a beggar (as in, someone homeless and begging for meals on the streets), or it could refer to someone who is simply poor.

By the way, since "public mendicancy" means "dependent on alms for sustenance", and we have a lot of Christians on the public dole, e.g., WELFARE, I'd say we DO have a lot of beggars in the church, at least in THAT sense of the word.

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

I assure you that I have known of Christians who went hungry. It only takes a minuscule amount of research to find cases of Christians over the centuries who have not only been without food, but without shelter and other basic necessities. Some have even lost their lives.

If you haven't heard of anything like that, I suggest you take to reading more than the Sunday comics.

By the way, it's MissBrattiFIED; not MissBrattifield. And here we're supposed to trust your ability to decipher plain text.

[Cindy]

I like jewelry.