Tithing…Is it a command?

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Lafon

At the end of all the contentious debate during the council at Jerusalem (c. AD51) regarding the question of whether circumcision (an element of the Law) was necessary for salvation (as some of the Jewish converts had come down to the predominantly Gentile church at Antioch and taught), please note the words of James in rendering the final decision about the matter:

"FOR IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY GHOST, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and

from blood, and

from things strangled, and

from fornication:

from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:28-29, KJV)

Does any, besides myself, find it rather strange that from among all of the former ordinances of the Law which the Gentiles were being commanded to obey, "IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY GHOST," as well as everyone in attendance at that council, that "tithing," which was also an ordinance of the Law, was not included among the list of "don'ts"?

Seeing the Holy Ghost deemed ONLY these four elements of the former covenant to remain continuous, and be obeyed by the Gentile saints, then should one today be condemned for questioning the legitimacy of "tithing" (let's not forget, this letter outlining these 4 "do nots" were being sent to Gentiles, not to Jewish converts) as so many of our Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal preachers are broadcasting as if it were an integral part of the covenant of grace?

Powerful.

Where are all the pro-tithers?

crickets chirping...

[Esphes45]

[QUOTE=FlamingZword;1338140]

Originally Posted by Originalist

ha ha ha you can keep amening all you want 99% of Apostolic preachers teach tithing, you got a long way to go. Good luck.

Sad to say but Flaming has a point.

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Esphes45;1338165]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Sad to say but Flaming has a point.

Thats why he wears a hat.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Poor deceived Jeremiah. He didn't understand Jesus came to destroy the Law...


(Jer 31:31 ESV) "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
(Jer 31:32 ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
(Jer 31:33 ESV) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

You mean FULFILL right ? (Fulfill means finish/end)



ful·fill also ful·fil (fl-fl)
tr.v. ful·filled, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils
1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
2. To carry out (an order, for example).
3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform, satisfy.
4. To bring to an end; complete.



When Jesus died, he said.."it is finished" and gave up his spirit, then immediately the vail in the temple was torn in two. Ending the Law(only for the believer though), not the sinner.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Poor deceived Jeremiah. He didn't understand Jesus came to destroy the Law...


(Jer 31:31 ESV) "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
(Jer 31:32 ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
(Jer 31:33 ESV) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Poor deceived Paul. He thought Jeremiah was only referring to the moral Law and not the ceremonial law which included the tithe.

[Sean]

They teach, tithing is worship...LOL


As the saints march weekly with check in hand and trained to say..."thank you God that I get to(but thinking, I am forced to) give this tithe....LOL





You can train the mouth, but you cant train the brain, unless you WASH it thoroughly!

[Aquila]

Jesus didn't come to destroy the law... he came to fulfill it on the behalf of believers. Now we are bound by a higher law, the law of love. Love will fulfill the moral demands of the law (but not the letter of the law).

Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Romans 13:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Law of Love demands that we give far more than a tithe. Oh, we commit financially what we have purposed in our hearts, knowing that if we sow sparingly we will reap sparingly and if we sow bountifully we will reap bountifully:

2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV)
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:6 (KJV)
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

The custom of tithing as practiced in churches today is a carryover from the Roman Catholic Church's efforts to impose a religious tax to fund the priesthood and the building of the Roman Catholic infrastructure. Prior to the RCC imposing the tithe, churches routinely rejected the notion. There is a RICH history on this:

http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id15.html

Now, NT generosity demands more than a tithe. Not only does it demand that needs be met as people give as they have purposed in their hearts, the NT teaches that we are to share our very lives. Therefore, what is mine is yours and what is yours is mine. We fulfill this through what are known as the "one anothers" of the New Testament:

1. “…Be at peace with each other.” (Mark 9:50)
2. “…Wash one another’s feet.” (John 13:14)
3. “…Love one another…” (John 13:34)
4. “…Love one another…” (John 13:34)
5. “…Love one another…” (John 13:35)
6. “…Love one another…” (John 15:12)
7. “…Love one another” (John 15:17)
8. “Be devoted to one another in brotherly love…” (Romans 12:10)
9. “…Honor one another above yourselves. (Romans 12:10)
10. “Live in harmony with one another…” (Romans 12:16)
11. “…Love one another…” (Romans 13:8)
12. “…Stop passing judgment on one another.” (Romans 14:13)
13. “Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you…” (Romans 15:7)
14. “…Instruct one another.” (Romans 15:14)
15. “Greet one another with a holy kiss…” (Romans 16:16)
16. “…When you come together to eat, wait for each other.” (I Cor. 11:33)
17. “…Have equal concern for each other.” (I Corinthians 12:25)
18. “…Greet one another with a holy kiss.” (I Corinthians 16:20)
19. “Greet one another with a holy kiss.” (II Corinthians 13:12)
20. “…Serve one another in love.” (Galatians 5:13)
21. “If you keep on biting and devouring each other…you will be destroyed by each other.”
(Galatians 5:15)
22. “Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.” (Galatians 5:26)
23. “Carry each other’s burdens…” (Galatians 6:2)
24. “…Be patient, bearing with one another in love.” (Ephesians 4:2)
25. “Be kind and compassionate to one another…” (Ephesians 4:32)
26. “…Forgiving each other…” (Ephesians 4:32)
27. “Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.” (Ephesians 5:19)
28. “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Ephesians 5:21)
29. “…In humility consider others better than yourselves.” (Philippians 2:3)30. “Do not lie to each other…” (Colossians 3:9)
31. “Bear with each other…” (Colossians 3:13)
32. “…Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.” (Colossians 3:13)
33. “Teach…[one another]” (Colossians 3:16)
34. “…Admonish one another (Colossians 3:16)
35. “…Make your love increase and overflow for each other.” (I Thessalonians 3:12)
36. “…Love each other.” (I Thessalonians 4:9)
37. “…Encourage each other…”(I Thessalonians 4:18)
38. “…Encourage each other…” I Thessalonians 5:11)
39. “…Build each other up…” (I Thessalonians 5:11)
40. “Encourage one another daily…” Hebrews 3:13)
41. “…Spur one another on toward love and good deeds.” (Hebrews 10:24)
42. “…Encourage one another.” (Hebrews 10:25)
43. “…Do not slander one another.” (James 4:11)
44. “Don’t grumble against each other…” (James 5:9)
45. “Confess your sins to each other…” (James 5:16)
46. “…Pray for each other.” (James 5:16)
47. “…Love one another deeply, from the heart.” (I Peter 3:8)
48. “…Live in harmony with one another…” (I Peter 3:8)
49. “…Love each other deeply…” (I Peter 4:8)
50. “Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.” (I Peter 4:9)
51. “Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others…” (I Peter 4:10)
52. “…Clothe yourselves with humility toward one another…”(I Peter 5:5)
53. “Greet one another with a kiss of love.” (I Peter 5:14)
54. “…Love one another.” (I John 3:11)
55. “…Love one another.” (I John 3:23)
56. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:7)
57. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:11)
58. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:12)
59. “…Love one another.” (II John 5)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus didn't come to destroy the law... he came to fulfill it on the behalf of believers. Now we are bound by a higher law, the law of love. Love will fulfill the moral demands of the law (but not the letter of the law).

Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Romans 13:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Law of Love demands that we give far more than a tithe. Oh, we commit financially what we have purposed in our hearts, knowing that if we sow sparingly we will reap sparingly and if we sow bountifully we will reap bountifully:

2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV)
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 9:6 (KJV)
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

The custom of tithing as practiced in churches today is a carryover from the Roman Catholic Church's efforts to impose a religious tax to fund the priesthood and the building of the Roman Catholic infrastructure. Prior to the RCC imposing the tithe, churches routinely rejected the notion. There is a RICH history on this:

http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id15.html

Now, NT generosity demands more than a tithe. Not only does it demand that needs be met as people give as they have purposed in their hearts, the NT teaches that we are to share our very lives. Therefore, what is mine is yours and what is yours is mine. We fulfill this through what are known as the "one anothers" of the New Testament:

1. “…Be at peace with each other.” (Mark 9:50)
2. “…Wash one another’s feet.” (John 13:14)
3. “…Love one another…” (John 13:34)
4. “…Love one another…” (John 13:34)
5. “…Love one another…” (John 13:35)
6. “…Love one another…” (John 15:12)
7. “…Love one another” (John 15:17)
8. “Be devoted to one another in brotherly love…” (Romans 12:10)
9. “…Honor one another above yourselves. (Romans 12:10)
10. “Live in harmony with one another…” (Romans 12:16)
11. “…Love one another…” (Romans 13:8)
12. “…Stop passing judgment on one another.” (Romans 14:13)
13. “Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you…” (Romans 15:7)
14. “…Instruct one another.” (Romans 15:14)
15. “Greet one another with a holy kiss…” (Romans 16:16)
16. “…When you come together to eat, wait for each other.” (I Cor. 11:33)
17. “…Have equal concern for each other.” (I Corinthians 12:25)
18. “…Greet one another with a holy kiss.” (I Corinthians 16:20)
19. “Greet one another with a holy kiss.” (II Corinthians 13:12)
20. “…Serve one another in love.” (Galatians 5:13)
21. “If you keep on biting and devouring each other…you will be destroyed by each other.”
(Galatians 5:15)
22. “Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.” (Galatians 5:26)
23. “Carry each other’s burdens…” (Galatians 6:2)
24. “…Be patient, bearing with one another in love.” (Ephesians 4:2)
25. “Be kind and compassionate to one another…” (Ephesians 4:32)
26. “…Forgiving each other…” (Ephesians 4:32)
27. “Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.” (Ephesians 5:19)
28. “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Ephesians 5:21)
29. “…In humility consider others better than yourselves.” (Philippians 2:3)30. “Do not lie to each other…” (Colossians 3:9)
31. “Bear with each other…” (Colossians 3:13)
32. “…Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.” (Colossians 3:13)
33. “Teach…[one another]” (Colossians 3:16)
34. “…Admonish one another (Colossians 3:16)
35. “…Make your love increase and overflow for each other.” (I Thessalonians 3:12)
36. “…Love each other.” (I Thessalonians 4:9)
37. “…Encourage each other…”(I Thessalonians 4:18)
38. “…Encourage each other…” I Thessalonians 5:11)
39. “…Build each other up…” (I Thessalonians 5:11)
40. “Encourage one another daily…” Hebrews 3:13)
41. “…Spur one another on toward love and good deeds.” (Hebrews 10:24)
42. “…Encourage one another.” (Hebrews 10:25)
43. “…Do not slander one another.” (James 4:11)
44. “Don’t grumble against each other…” (James 5:9)
45. “Confess your sins to each other…” (James 5:16)
46. “…Pray for each other.” (James 5:16)
47. “…Love one another deeply, from the heart.” (I Peter 3:8)
48. “…Live in harmony with one another…” (I Peter 3:8)
49. “…Love each other deeply…” (I Peter 4:8)
50. “Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.” (I Peter 4:9)
51. “Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others…” (I Peter 4:10)
52. “…Clothe yourselves with humility toward one another…”(I Peter 5:5)
53. “Greet one another with a kiss of love.” (I Peter 5:14)
54. “…Love one another.” (I John 3:11)
55. “…Love one another.” (I John 3:23)
56. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:7)
57. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:11)
58. “…Love one another.” (I John 4:12)
59. “…Love one another.” (II John 5)

Amen, all these are accomplished by walking in the Spirit!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sean

Amen, all these are accomplished by walking in the Spirit!

AMEN!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Poor deceived Jeremiah. He didn't understand Jesus came to destroy the Law...


(Jer 31:31 ESV) "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
(Jer 31:32 ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
(Jer 31:33 ESV) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

I didn't know Jesus came to destroy the law either? Where did you get that? Jesus didn't come to destroy, he came to fulfill, and bring the law to its fullest potential, which is why it is written now on our hearts, instead of on stone.