The Reason Some Apostolics Are Concerned: The Results of Erased Lines

Originally Posted by ILG

OKay, sure....ask the question "Where will we end up?" That is only reasonable. But lack of standards does not automatically equal trinitariansim because many standards holders ARE trinitarian. When someone decides to cause division over a MAYBE that is serious cause for concern. The conservatives are maybe saying that this issue is causing division because some are getting liberal, but the truth is that the conservatives are going to FORCE division out of nothing but FEAR over a MAYBE. That's pretty serious if you ask me. I think the latter is worse than the former.

ILG, look around you friend. There is a whole lot of your 'maybe' posting on this forum that think trinitarian belief is acceptable.

The point that I make is honest and true: SOME people don't know when to stop erasing lines once they start. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

[Nahum]

Steadfast, for what it's worth, I agree with most of what you have said in this thread. It is truly a sad day when the PAW even CONSIDERS allowing trinitarianism in its pulpits.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

ILG, look around you friend. There is a whole lot of your 'maybe' posting on this forum that think trinitarian belief is acceptable.

The point that I make is honest and true: SOME people don't know when to stop erasing lines once they start. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

Steadfast, how long will folks who are pushing trinitarianism be allowed to post on AFF?

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by revrandy

AB... I think your loyaties are somewhat torn at the moment...

being around TBN and everything going on there...you hate the practices of some of those who are there and yet you have to defend them too because of the time given you there...and WHY do you expose your folks to them who are really misleading people and misguiding them?? That is something I don't get???

Sandra i can understand... but you ??? Why??

It comes across in your posts...

I am not torn. I am loyal to our Lord Jesus Christ and His Word. I have always baptized in the Name of Jesus. I have had the Holy Ghost since I was 5 years old. I have never been a "Trinitarian" preacher nor a "Oneness" preacher. I have always been a JESUS Preacher. I preach and teach the Revelation of Jesus Christ with no apologies.

I do not hang with the TBN crowd and do not defend them. I do minister in any place where the door opens. Just because I minister for someone that does not see the same revelation as I do - does not mean that I believe everything they do. I have had "Trinitarians" and "Oneness" in my pulpit that have taken liberties that I did not appreciate and I told them so and will not have them back. I have had some in my pulpit that ministered in the particular Revelation that God gave them - and it blessed me and the people and they are welcome back. It is not a Trinity thing or a Oneness thing with me - it is about MINISTRY!
Our focus at CA is NOT doctrine - but Ministry. We have a foundation of Doctrine - but we build up people with Ministry.

At one time - I focused almost totally on Doctrine. I can preach the Revelation of Jesus Christ just like many others can - but here I choose to build a house of ministry.
I know that is hard for those that DOCTRINE is EVERYTHING so much that they forget Jesus Christ and his ministry and what he told his disciples to do was MINISTRY.

Baptism in the NT was MINISTRY - Not a your going to hell if you don't do it my way DOCTRINE!
Sorry guys, I love ya - just can't live with ya.

[StillStanding]

This thread goes back to the argument of whether to build walls or bridges.

The alarmists want to build walls to keep the bad guys out.

Others want to build bridges to reach out to friends, family and other Christians in hopes of influencing them to their doctrine.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

ILG, look around you friend. There is a whole lot of your 'maybe' posting on this forum that think trinitarian belief is acceptable.

The point that I make is honest and true: SOME people don't know when to stop erasing lines once they start. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The point is that lack of standards do not equal trinitarian or else there wouldn't be trinitarians who believe in standards!!! YOu are alooking at a very small piece of the pie.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Steadfast, for what it's worth, I agree with most of what you have said in this thread. It is truly a sad day when the PAW even CONSIDERS allowing trinitarianism in its pulpits.

Is this what you guys think? It is simply not true. While most "Oneness" primary goal is convert others to "Oneness" - I do not know ANYONE that would try to convert you to a Trinitarian position.
You may have heard it or seen it - but I have never had anyone ever say anything about three gods or three persons in the godhead or anything like it in my pulpit or anywhere I go. I do know on TBN at times - they talk about the blessed Trinity but for the most part - you will never hear anything about the Trinity.

Most outside your ranks - have no idea what you believe to start with - they just think that because of the dress issue - your old fashioned or Conservative.
It is simply a fallacy that Holy Ghost filled people and preachers that are outside your ranks - want to convert people to TRINITARIANISM! If I told some of them this - they would laugh and say - WHAT ON EARTH IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Originally Posted by ILG

The point is that lack of standards do not equal trinitarian or else there wouldn't be trinitarians who believe in standards!!! YOu are alooking at a very small piece of the pie.

ILG, the Apostolic movement and the truth it represents IS the pie to me. I love God with my whole heart... and you can't separate God from the truth He represents.

Suffice it to say that you'll never see a trinitarian in my pulpit preaching, teaching or telling my people "We're all going to the same place". TRUTH as defined by God is imperative. For me to put false doctrine in my pulpit to 'minister' would be the greatest slap in the face of truth that I could accomodate.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This thread goes back to the argument of whether to build walls or bridges.

The alarmists want to build walls to keep the bad guys out.

Others want to build bridges to reach out to friends, family and other Christians in hopes of influencing them to their doctrine.

Not true.

The bad guys want to tear down our "walls."

It is not wrong to hold to doctrinal distinctives.

It is wrong to espouse tolerance, and then bash those who will not remove some very simple lines.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Pianoman - PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Change that UGLY picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!