For those who want to know...RULES at my church! - Page 10

Malvaro · #91 10-29-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

disobedience is as the sin of witchcraft. there was no room for questioning anything that was taught

Asking the "why" questions about scripture is *not* disobedience, it is a healthy curousity for a better understanding of the Word.... 2 Timothy 2:15 alone single-handedly discounts this false misconception....

I tell saints, youth, Bible studies, etc all the time.... Yah gotta LOVE the Word and know it.... bring your Bible to church so you can check out the preacher and make sure he's in the Book.... a growing knowledge and understanding of the Word is the only thing that can safeguard you from falling into false doctrine.... also, yah gotta understand the "why" of the Word or you won't be able to explain it to someone else....

any leader that refuses to answer and/or discourages the "why" questions is probably weak in their own Bible knowledge and insecure with the ministry and callings that God has given them....

just some food for thought....

Thad · #92 10-29-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BeMoreLikeHim

I once heard a preacher preach that women need to have thier hair pulled back and no curls around the face beacause those were sex curls.

When I was growing up a new some young people who said their pastor would not allow them to date young people from another church unless they talked to him first. If it was approved they could only talk like twice a week on the phone and see each other once a week.

I am so thankful that I have never set under a pastor who preached things that were crazy.

we heard the sex curl thing preached against with our own ears at PSR.
But i wasn't too surprised having heard of HAIR ROLLERS, CURLING IRONS, and HOT STICKS preached against

determined · #93 10-29-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

what have YOU seen ?

As I stated, not hardly as extreme as the others.

I've seen preachers who didn't allow their members to celebrate Christmas and give or receive gifts but EXPECTED their members to shower THEM with gifts at Thanksgiving.

I've heard the hair up / hair down

Women and girls have to wear pantyhose

Girls told they could not get perms

No open toed shoes

of course the usual, no make up, no cutting hair, no pants on women -- some not even wearing pjs.

In some circles young people have to date within their local church -- gets pretty scarce at times and they end up marrying relatives and having children.

Some pastors telling the young people who to date and marry - not ADVICE or counseling, just picking their mate. OF COURSE they heard from God on that!!

Thankfully although raised in UPC I wasn't under that sort of leadership. Standards were taught but not some of this other hogwash. I have run into some of this stuff in recent years. I did have family involved in an COJC situation in Kentucky that was pretty extreme.

Sarah · #94 10-29-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by determined

The examples given here are extreme...and I've heard quite a bit in my lifetime. Some UPC, some independent churches.

But there IS a lot of talk seemingly in Pentecostal/Apostolic churches of "Spiritual Authority" and it seems that this type of thing happens. People are driven by fear to submit.

So, what is scriptural basis for spiritual authority? What/who is "authority"? What "authority" does a pastor have over the church members.

I see this as a problem in lots of areas - standards, of course, but otherwise. Church attendance, how people spend their time and money. People are confused and then led to become fearful, often being told something bad will happen to their children.

I've heard of a couple of churches like STS was talking about. I think they are both on the West Coast.

Unreal. I just can't imagine being part of a congregation like that......

Esther · #95 10-29-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

How sad! I feel Bad for you people that had to endure this craziness.
just know that most pentecostal churches do NOT fall into this catagory!!!
may the Lord give you all healing - I can understand now where you are.

that is the upside of an organization- BUT WHERE WERE THEY??????
WHY doesn't the Org. step in cases like this ???????

there was a case in San Diego( dave is a witness!) where the pastor was making the people bow and kiss his feet to prove their loyalty. the CA> stepped in and revolked his license

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

Thad · #96 10-29-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by determined

As I stated, not hardly as extreme as the others.

I've seen preachers who didn't allow their members to celebrate Christmas and give or receive gifts but EXPECTED their members to shower THEM with gifts at Thanksgiving.

I've heard the hair up / hair down

Women and girls have to wear pantyhose

Girls told they could not get perms

No open toed shoes

of course the usual, no make up, no cutting hair, no pants on women -- some not even wearing pjs.

In some circles young people have to date within their local church -- gets pretty scarce at times and they end up marrying relatives and having children.

Some pastors telling the young people who to date and marry - not ADVICE or counseling, just picking their mate. OF COURSE they heard from God on that!!

Thankfully although raised in UPC I wasn't under that sort of leadership. Standards were taught but not some of this other hogwash. I have run into some of this stuff in recent years. I did have family involved in an COJC situation in Kentucky that was pretty extreme.

WHAAAAAaAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

are you saying that marrying relatives was supported??? like cousins??
I think this is against the law in some states!

I have heard it all now !

Thad · #97 10-29-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

YES WAY - Ask Dave

i believe his dad had to deal with it

determined · #98 10-29-2007, 03:25 PM

one pastor would measure the ladies' skirts to make sure they were long enough

HeavenlyOne · #99 10-29-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

My experience in this type of church was not in a backwoods Apalician mountain church but in a 500 in Sundat school UPCi in illinois.

Thi type of control freak pastor is not limited to any area of the country, or just in the AMF.

I can't believe some that say they have been in pentecost for however many years and they have never seen or heard of these kind of churches.

TH's church?