KH believes the Light Doctrine??

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

No, because while I can wish it were the case, I do not see scripturally where it is. So no, I do not believe anyone will make heaven that has not obeyed Acts 2:38. I see no "lesser light" available to be born again.

Good thing you are not the gatekeeper.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Good thing you are not the gatekeeper.

No, most of the time I am the door "matt".

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

No, most of the time I am the door "matt".

ba-dum ... tssh!!! That was punny.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Yes, hell (hades, shoel, the grave) has enlarged itself, since folks continue to die.

shĕ'owl (sheh·ole')

Part of Speech

feminine noun


Outline of Biblical Usage

1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit

a) the underworld

b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead

1) place of no return

2) without praise of God

3) wicked sent there for punishment

4) righteous not abandoned to it

5) of the place of exile (fig)

6) of extreme degradation in sin

[Scott Hutchinson]

Does the doorcharge from the GC go to fund home missions grants ?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Annanias called The Apostle Paul "brother" before he was baptized or filled with the Holy Ghost. I'd like to see that explained away. I'll begin the sentence.

Yeah but...

As a "one-stepper" I tend to think that Ananias called Saul "brother" because they were both children of God by regeneration. And, I've quoted that passage to show that Saul had been saved/born again three days earlier in the dust on the road outside Damascus.
But, if you look at Romans 9:1-3
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Paul speaks of the unsaved/unregerate Jewish folks as brothers. Could it be that Ananias called Saul "brother" because they were both Jewish?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

As a "one-stepper" I tend to think that Ananias called Saul "brother" because they were both children of God by regeneration. And, I've quoted that passage to show that Saul had been saved/born again three days earlier in the dust on the road outside Damascus.
But, if you look at Romans 9:1-3
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Paul speaks of the unsaved/unregerate Jewish folks as brothers. Could it be that Ananias called Saul "brother" because they were both Jewish?

Also, when Peter addressed the gathered crowd on the Day of Pentecost, he called them brothers (Acts 2:29).

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Anyway,

My point of this thread was to asked the UPC folks that are PAJC in believe that if this be true about Bro Haney, "How does it effect your support of him?".

And also, "does it seem ironic that while the UC's are feeling that the UPC is moving towards a more liberal mindset that the man behind the wheel is a PCIer?"

Funny thing Matt, KH is not a liberal the church he pastored won souls, was spiritual minded, gave to word missions had a vision and everyone there experienced Acts 2:38.

Hate to break it to you but many who lead the UPCI had this mindset, Urshan most likely because of his father, Goss, Vouga, not sure about Chambers, it ridiculous to think that all who have come before were Acts 2:38 all or nothing people.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Funny thing Matt, KH is not a liberal the church he pastored won souls, was spiritual minded, gave to word missions had a vision and everyone there experienced Acts 2:38.

Hate to break it to you but many who lead the UPCI had this mindset, Urshan most likely because of his father, Goss, Vouga, not sure about Chambers, it ridiculous to think that all who have come before were Acts 2:38 all or nothing people.

Keith,

I have no beef with KH. I just find it funny that so many UPC ministers are so strong in the Act 2: 38 heaven or hell message, but would accept someone (and Follow them as the leader) that possibly believes that the AOG folks are saved if they are walking in all the light they know.

I was not trying to make this a tear KH apart thread, as much as try to get some responses from the PAJC believing folks as to their reasons for being able to set KH's views on this aside and follow him.

[Raven]

I would be interested in a comment from the Hoover House about Stanley Chambers take on the "light doctrine", if he had one. He was their Grandfather.
Raven