Chosen, it really should leave little doubt. Unfortunately, it's not enough evidence matters little when show is good.
You are so right, Stephen. The tragedy is that so many desperate people put their faith in a man like Hinn who is only out to fatten his wallet. I hope that he would see Jesus and not himself as Jesus before it is too late.
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Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)
"God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves." Dwight L. Moody
So you think that God's gifts and callings are with repentance except for Israel? That is crazy. God's mercy and grace is simple. There are alot of people in the OP group that says you can lose the HG, but it is a gift. You can not lose a gift from God unless you give it away. You must revisit the gift to know/remember how to use it. But you can not lose it. IMO
I would really like to see this explored.
Are you saying an annointed man of God who has the gift of healing, or speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, can depart from the faith, and live like the devil but still heal people at will? Or speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance at will? Or prophesey at will?
Personally, I don't doubt that such a one might appear to continue doing what he did as a "Christian" BUT it does call into question any authenticity of his gift or of his former Christianity.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Whether or not he's a huckster can be debated. I have questions about BH that go beyond crusades. What cannot be debated is there are people who experiece the miraculous in his crusades. God's going to use someone. While the pentecostals are fighting over the use of media, God is using other people to accomplish His will.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
Whether or not he's a huckster can be debated. I have questions about BH that go beyond crusades. What cannot be debated is there are people who experiece the miraculous in his crusades. God's going to use someone. While the pentecostals are fighting over the use of media, God is using other people to accomplish His will.
Really? Is there a site you can direct us to for the "verification"?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Are you saying an annointed man of God who has the gift of healing, or speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, can depart from the faith, and live like the devil but still heal people at will? Or speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance at will? Or prophesey at will?
Personally, I don't doubt that such a one might appear to continue doing what he did as a "Christian" BUT it does call into question any authenticity of his gift or of his former Christianity.
I believe that if someone denounces God and His power then I believe that God still have anointed them at one time. I also believe that the move under than anointing, but not under the continual blessing. Point in case, a pastor that was ALJC was seriously one the best preachers I have ever heard. He was in the middle of great revival in the church but fell into adultry. God would still bless him when he preached and people got the HG and changed their lives all the while he was having an affair. He finally came out and acknowledged the wrong and stepped down and someone else took over. But God still anointed him while he was in sin.
I believe that God still blesses and uses those people though we may think that they don't. I am not sure if someone can just start speaking in tongues when ever they want to anyway.
There are so many questions that we all can never answer. I have seen it. I have experienced it. There was a time when I was not living right and God gave me a word of prophecy for some one and I gave it and they frankly did not buy into it, but it can true. So I guess it can happen.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
I believe that if someone denounces God and His power then I believe that God still have anointed them at one time. I also believe that the move under than anointing, but not under the continual blessing. Point in case, a pastor that was ALJC was seriously one the best preachers I have ever heard. He was in the middle of great revival in the church but fell into adultry. God would still bless him when he preached and people got the HG and changed their lives all the while he was having an affair. He finally came out and acknowledged the wrong and stepped down and someone else took over. But God still anointed him while he was in sin.
I believe that God still blesses and uses those people though we may think that they don't. I am not sure if someone can just start speaking in tongues when ever they want to anyway.
There are so many questions that we all can never answer. I have seen it. I have experienced it. There was a time when I was not living right and God gave me a word of prophecy for some one and I gave it and they frankly did not buy into it, but it can true. So I guess it can happen.
To me, people coming to repentance at a revival would not be indicative of preacher annointing, or usher annointing for that matter.
And I did not mean that one has to be perfect for God to use him. But if a "gift being without repentance" means nonChristians are performing miracles etc., because of something that was bestowed on them years ago before backsliding away from God... - I would see that as very problematic.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
To me, people coming to repentance at a revival would not be indicative of preacher annointing, or usher annointing for that matter.
And I did not mean that one has to be perfect for God to use him. But if a "gift being without repentance" means nonChristians are performing miracles etc., because of something that was bestowed on them years ago before backsliding away from God... - I would see that as very problematic.
It may be problematic, but still I have seen it first hand. I agree that peoples repentance is not indicative of someone anointing. That is truth. But I have seen people preach with such an anointing that people fall on their face in repentance. I think the crux of the matter is that if someone denounces Jesus then they walk out from under the anointing but God had anointed them. They would still be anointed if they allowed themselves to be used. That is my opinion, I would say that some one that backslides has no desire to be used of the gifts. Benny does, though we do not believe he believes the samethings we do, does not discount that he wants God to use him. The motives may not be pure to use, but we are not there in the prayer time to see the real them. We see the white suit and the penthouses. That is not fair to judge because there is alot of us on here that if we had the money he has made then we may do the samethings. IMO
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
So you think that God's gifts and callings are with repentance except for Israel? That is crazy. God's mercy and grace is simple. There are alot of people in the OP group that says you can lose the HG, but it is a gift. You can not lose a gift from God unless you give it away. You must revisit the gift to know/remember how to use it. But you can not lose it. IMO
The context means nothing to you???? That scripture is not referring to supernatural gifts and callings. It refers to the covenatal relationship between God and Israel.
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HO, if a blind man came to one of our churches or a paraplegic, would we do a test on them to see if they was Really what they say they was as if they are lying ? shoud we have a doctor on with a medical facility in the back to verify whether they should be allowed to have prayer or not?
if someone is that starved for attention, then there is a mental problem. I don't blame the church or any ministry for someone who comes up and fakes a healing.
I think most doctors can quickly tell if a person is truely a paraplegic or not though. outward diagosis can be done quickly as opposed to testing of bodily fluids
Thad, CP is the one who said Benny has a doc there to verify everything, and that's what I'm basing my posts on, not what UPC churches do in their services. If BH has a doc to verify everything, then surely they would be able to tell when one is faking, right?
That's the point here, not that people fake healing. That happens everywhere all the time.
And testing to determine if one is paraplegic isn't as simple as looking at their legs in a WC. Much more complicated than that.
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