Are there any conservative PCI believers out there?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Technically, yes. I never said that I didn't. That was evidently your assumption working overtime. I just don't know of any personally who are of the PCI persuasion that preach a strong outward standard. It would seem common to me that I wouldn't know them as I'm not of that persuasion myself and, because of that, not around much fellowship with them.

Your questions;

1. The purpose of the question? I suspect to get an answer about the subject.
2. The purpose of the thread? You'll have to ask the author and I'm not the author.
3. Would it be appropriate to name names of those who are PCI with good standards? If I was PCI I would hope someone could say, "They preach a good standard" so, in my opinion, I would suspect yes. Why wouldn't it be?

Thank you sir.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I have known some conservative (standard wise)PCI-ers myself, but I agree what is the point in naming names.

I think CB was trying to stir up a "heated" discussion?(not sure)

Of course there are conservative PCIers. We all agree apparently.

I don't know..... probably shouldn't even be "online" today as far as forums go because I'm not in the best frame of mind to put it mildly. Stressed, pressure, discouraged, overwhelmed, confused, disappointed ...... these are words I don't usually admit to or give in to but today is one of those days.

[Felicity]

Excuse me if I've been less than kind. Carry on. Continue. Have at it. Go for it! I'm out.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

You folks know what I am saying. Are there PCI believers that hold to the dress code?

I do understand what you are saying, Daniel, but I thought it would be interesting to see if PCI believers still keep to the dress code standards.

You speak of "the dress code" like it was something standardized.
Sleeve length varies from church to church and from year to year.
Hem line distance can be measured from the thigh, knee, ankle, or floor.
Whether stockings must be worn or not, whether they must have seams or not, whether panty hose have separate legs and are therefore "men's apparel" or not, whether stockings must be cotton or can be nylon, whether a woman's toes can be exposed or not, what fabrics are permissible or not, what colors are permissible or not, whether a head covering is required or not, whether a veil or a hat or a scarf is a valid head covering, are buttons permissible or not, if buttons are permissible can they be gold or silver colored, what finger rings are allowed if any, are hair ribbons or bows vanity, what about neck ties, what about a tie clip, what about cuff links, what about a wrist watch etc. etc.
These "standards" are different depending on who the preacher is, where he is, or who might be listening in on the sermon.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

Just for clarification. A PCIer is one who believes in repentance, baptism in Jesus name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues but believes that only repentance is REQUIRED for salvation.

Am I right?

Also, according to most of the posts on this thread, a majority of PCIer's do not hold fast to traditional holiness standards.

So wouldn't that basically make them (Oh no! The dreaded word!)..."CHARISMATIC?"

I know that there will be those that say otherwise and I'm sure that Daniel will accuse me of "breeding ignorance"...but who cares?

It makes them Jesus' Name, Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Charismatics
and for a while some of them were also UPC.

[Sam]

When you say no facial hair on women, do you mean that our UPC ladies who pluck out their eyebrows and then paint on new ones that are better shaped and better colored are practicing a conservative dress code?

Also, does that mean that any other facial hair that may grow on a woman's face needs to be plucked, burnt, tweezed, or removed by electralysis?

[Sherri]

According to the majority of the church world, we hold very strict personal standards. According to some people on here, we would be greasy grace loosey-goosey liberals. So I think I just have to answer to God, who knows our hearts and guides and directs us without mandates made by man or organizations. In some areas, we are much stricter than we were when we were in UPC. These are convictions that God has given to us.

I don't agree with those on either side of us, but I respect them all for the things that they hold dear.

I do understand the question, and I guess it's legitimate in the mind of Charlie Brown. But what we call "standards" are not standard at all; they vary all over the spectrum from church to church, or from district to district.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I don't have a dog in this fight. It's not my thread and I've not so much as read the first post until moments ago. However, I've gone through all 67 posts and have to say that this is one of the best beat around the bush examples I've ever seen.

I think the question was a good question. I had never even wondered about such before and thought it might be a good thread to get an answer from. It was't. 67 posts and not one person said "I know Bro. *** is PCI and has a strong standard."

I'm actually very surprised because I thought there might be a list of several who held strong standards. Though I never looked at it from that particular perspective maybe CB's question is more revealing than we think.

Reading this thread I can almost hear a recent former Prez clearing his throat and saying, "Define 'did' ".

This very terminology is telling in light of what has been listed in this thread as to what these strong standards are you refer to. If these are what you define as strong standards then all I have to say is that you have a very shallow concept of what matters to God in the area of holiness.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I have known some conservative (standard wise)PCI-ers myself, but I agree what is the point in naming names.

I think CB was trying to stir up a "heated" discussion?(not sure)

One thing is certain. CB doesn't hold to these "strong" standards or he wouldn't be working for and promoting those who don't.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

This very terminology is telling in light of what has been listed in this thread as to what these strong standards are you refer to. If these are what you define as strong standards then all I have to say is that you have a very shallow concept of what matters to God in the area of holiness.

Okay. I clarified myself and evidently it wasn't enough. My concept of holiness is totally unknown by you but, hey, I'll let you think you're the authority on my walk with God if it makes you feel better.

There. You have my permission. Think as you wish.

Now. Don't you feel envigorated!

(No, I'm not without words at this point. So much could be said but I really see so little need to say it.)