Can someone please clarify Resolution #3

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

From your perspective. Some would say it has a pure motive and is intended to preserve the integrity of the organization. I lean that way. At least at this point and will do so until it is proven differently to me.

What would it take??? a few zealot men who convince a board to disfellowship you w/o due process?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

No. Not really except to say, I would delete that black label of "Under Question." The preacher either violated the rules or he didn't. If he did, he understands that he is OUT. If he didn't he should be exonorated. But never, never be held in a state of limbo where all things of his professional future is uncertain.

But what of those who go out for no bad reason? Using you idea they would be off lim its as well It seems to me that this Resolution is seeking to draw clear lines. Still don't see anything wrong with that.

But again, I am not looking to be cynical. I am a very pragmatic individual and it would be easy to be critical of this Resolution. I honestly see it as a move in the right direction as far as keeping broad fellowship.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro Strange,

If someone wanted to destroy a man, he would do it, manual or not. We cannot blame government for corruption. It is what is in mens hearts that corrupt, not structured government.

God makes government. Men make politics.

You are right ... but why set up a structure to facilitate it?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What would it take??? a few zealot men who convince a board to disfellowship you w/o due process?

Ahh, there is the rub. You really cannot be disfellowshipped without due process. A man that allows such to happen needs to get a backbone.

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Most of the horror stories I hear in this regard are from events that occured decades ago. Recent stories are almost non-existant and are becoming more rare by the day.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Madison and Hamilton spent a lot of time discussing a concept called "the tyranny of the majority" ... in their Federalist papers ....

It is a political concept that some in your fellowship should examine and see how many of the "democratic" processes being used within the org lead to increased factionalism ....

There is little concern to church sovereignty or checks and balances.

I told y'all the boy was a history buff.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You are right ... but why set up a structure to facilitate it?

The structure is not set up with the intent of destroying the righteous, but marking the one that is not.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You are right ... but why set up a structure to facilitate it?

Only a cynic would see it that way. With that kind of reasoning you also have to view the Justice Dept of the US as existing only to make criminals of men who have committed crimes.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The structure is not set up with the intent of destroying the righteous, but marking the one that is not.

Exactly. But the problem is some of the folks who disagree with such a guideline see no offense in the one who is not righteous.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

Ahh, there is the rub. You really cannot be disfellowshipped without due process. A man that allows such to happen needs to get a backbone.

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Most of the horror stories I hear in this regard are from events that occured decades ago. Recent stories are almost non-existant and are becoming more rare by the day.

Perhaps because those that are under siege don't bother anymore w/ the politics of personal destruction ... they just pull out ... why bother?

But of course the are "spineless" as you say.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

Exactly. But the problem is some of the folks who disagree with such a guideline see no offense in the one who is not righteous.

I think the bible already has a structure for marking the brother and how to treat said brother when doing so.