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06-28-2007, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
As a late entry into this thread (which for some reason I find really interesting), I think the admonition that Jesus gives concerning a man who looks upon another man's wife with a desire to possess her (lust in his heart) has already committed adultry has application here.
What we speak (and subsequently do) will be viewed by our Lord by the motive that originates in our heart --that results in the speaking.
When we speak with no consideration of the subject person we include in our speaking, we are speaking vain words.
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Mat 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Mat 12:35 The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
Mat 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,
Mat 12:37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
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06-28-2007, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
Maybe instead of following your conviction you should follow the Holy Ghost.
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Oh please! Get over yourself!
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06-28-2007, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Michlow
Ok, if you think it is close enough to his name to "count" are you willing to baptize new converts in the name of Jeez?
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06-28-2007, 07:40 PM
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This is my take on the whole "take His name in vain" issue:
Several years ago I was at a McDonald's and decided to read my Bible. I ended up reading this commandment in the Bible. It read, "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." As I began to think on this scripture I began to ask myself what it meant by "take the name of the Lord thy God" and I realized that we take the name of Lord in baptism and through the revelation of Who God is, namely JESUS. It forever changed my viewpoint on this commandment. The last thing I want to be found guilty of is having taken on the name of God in vain. I don't want to waste this revelation of Who God is and I certainly don't want to have taken His name in baptism for nothing.
So, I really don't think taking the name of the Lord in vain has much to do with Americanisms, like jeez, geez, or however you want to spell it. There's much more God is trying to say to us in that setting of scripture.
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06-28-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
This is my take on the whole "take His name in vain" issue:
Several years ago I was at a McDonald's and decided to read my Bible. I ended up reading this commandment in the Bible. It read, "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." As I began to think on this scripture I began to ask myself what it meant by "take the name of the Lord thy God" and I realized that we take the name of Lord in baptism and through the revelation of Who God is, namely JESUS. It forever changed my viewpoint on this commandment. The last thing I want to be found guilty of is having taken on the name of God in vain. I don't want to waste this revelation of Who God is and I certainly don't want to have taken His name in baptism for nothing.
So, I really don't think taking the name of the Lord in vain has much to do with Americanisms, like jeez, geez, or however you want to spell it. There's much more God is trying to say to us in that setting of scripture.
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It's an euphemism for Jesus. An euphamism is a word people say in place of bad words of cuss words
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2007, 07:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
This is my take on the whole "take His name in vain" issue:
Several years ago I was at a McDonald's and decided to read my Bible. I ended up reading this commandment in the Bible. It read, "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." As I began to think on this scripture I began to ask myself what it meant by "take the name of the Lord thy God" and I realized that we take the name of Lord in baptism and through the revelation of Who God is, namely JESUS. It forever changed my viewpoint on this commandment. The last thing I want to be found guilty of is having taken on the name of God in vain. I don't want to waste this revelation of Who God is and I certainly don't want to have taken His name in baptism for nothing.
So, I really don't think taking the name of the Lord in vain has much to do with Americanisms, like jeez, geez, or however you want to spell it. There's much more God is trying to say to us in that setting of scripture.
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Hmmm... Something to think about.
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
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06-28-2007, 07:44 PM
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Minced oath
A minced oath is an expression based on a profanity which has been altered to reduce or remove the disagreeable or objectionable characteristics of the original expression; for example, "gosh" used instead of "God," "d--n" instead of "d--n" and "heck" instead of "hell". Nearly all profanities have minced variants; the words that are most taboo give rise to the most. Formation
People us the word Jesus as a swear word and so to minimalize that they shortened Jesus into an euphemism J--z.
People can say that is not how they mean it but that does not change what the word means particularly to others when you are saying it. Even atheists know this word is an euphemism for Jesus
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2007, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
It's an euphemism for Jesus. An euphamism is a word people say in place of bad words of cuss words
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Prax, you've repeated this several times in this thread. We know how you feel about it already. I still don't think this is what the Bible is referring to when it talks about taking the name of the Lord in vain. What you are talking about is more along the lines of using the name of the Lord in vain.
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06-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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BTW, speaking of the F word...is it ok to say a different word in place of the F word? Or is it ok to say any kind of word as an euphemism for a cuss word even though it's not the same word and not a cuss word?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2007, 08:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
Prax, you've repeated this several times in this thread. We know how you feel about it already. I still don't think this is what the Bible is referring to when it talks about taking the name of the Lord in vain. What you are talking about is more along the lines of using the name of the Lord in vain.
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first of all I don't see how using God's name in vain is ok or how it's not the same thing as 'take the name'...second I don't see any hebrew words in the text that actually translate into "take"...
Other translations I provided show that
Also other verses are interesting
Lev 19:12 And you shall not swear by My name to a falsehood; nor shall you pollute the name of your God; I am Jehovah.
We are also called to sanctify His name...keep it pure.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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