BY THIS STANDARD-Greg L. Bahnsen - Page 10

Amanah · #91 08-29-2018, 04:28 AM

What is the basis of Holiness? It is the character of God Himself. He tells us to be holy because he is holy.

How does one who is a sinner in thought, word, and deed come to know what God's holiness requires of him? Peter makes it clear what is implicit in the pervasive New Testament theme of holiness when he writes, "even as he who called you is holy, be yourselves also holy in all manner of living; because it stands written, 'You shall be holy, for I am holy' " (1 Peter 1:15-16). Here Peter quotes the Old Testament law from such places as Leviticus 11:44-45; 19:2, and 20:7, where it is evident that God's people would be sanctified and be holy by following all the statutes of God's revealed law.

Amanah · #92 08-29-2018, 04:36 AM

What is the basis of Separation from the World if not the OT example of Abraham being called out from Mesopotamia, and the Tribes of Israel being called out of Egypt and being given the law.

Hebrews 12:14 exhorts us to "follow after ... the sanctification without which no man shall see the Lord," indicating that those who are acceptable to God must be "set apart" (sanctified) unto Him and "separated" from the sinful pollution of the world. This entails cleansing from defilement (2 Cor. 7:1), leading a spotless life (2 Peter 3:14)-language reminiscent of the purity and sacrificial laws of the Old Testament. Second Timothy 2:19 summarizes the New Testament theme of separation from the world: "Let every one that names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness." How is this to be done? What is the nature of such separation from unrighteousness and defilement? By what standard does the New Testament Christian separate himself from "the world"? James instructs us that the word of God - which for James surely included the Old Testament scriptures of his day - is the key to this ethical separation.

Amanah · #93 08-29-2018, 04:39 AM

Both Jesus and Paul told us to keep the commandments:

By what standard, then, do we judge what is ethically good? Again, the New Testament is here resting on the revelation of God's law for its understanding of the ethical theme of the good. When asked what good thing should be done to inherit eternal life, Jesus responded: "If you would enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matt. 19:16-17)-and He makes it crystal clear that He is referring to the Old Testament law (vv. 18-19). Likewise Paul could state without qualification that "the commandment is holy, and righteous, and good.... I consent unto the law that it is good" (Rom. 7:12,-16). Elsewhere he expresses the common outlook of the Christian faith, "we know that the law is good" (1 Tim. 1:8).

When the bible speaks of holiness, separation, pleasing God or the golden rule, it points back to the Old Testament Law..

Aquila · #94 08-29-2018, 11:53 AM

In Scripture, terms such as brother, sister, brethren, mothers, and elders are used regarding the church.

This tells me that the church is to be a spiritual family, not a business with a CEO at the top of the pyramid. Not a body politic with presiding executive officer at the top.

Elders are mentors and guides that help guide the family. They are not mini-popes or spiritual dictators.

Aquila · #95 08-29-2018, 12:03 PM

Regarding elders, the Bible states:

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Here, the word translated 'obey' means to hear, understand, i.e. to listen attentively to; by impl. to heed or conform to a command or authority. But it isn't as one blindly obeys orders. There is the sense of being "convinced" by those who rule over us. We are to study the Word and compare what they teach to the Bible. If they depart from the Bible, they are outside of the Word of God. There is no expectation of obedience regarding pastors that depart from the Word.

Aquila · #96 08-29-2018, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

None of the dietary regulations were part of the moral law. There is a huge difference in between what God say's "should be a abomination unto you", and what He says "is a abomination unto Him". All of the law was only a type and a shadow of things to come. The Bible says "the law was a school master to lead us to Christ." That means that's only a type of what was to come.

Amen.

1ofthechosen · #97 08-29-2018, 12:06 PM

Thanks for the strawman Aquila, no one ever even mentioned anything close to endorsing such a thing. How much have you had to drink today?

Please don't hi Jack this thread too. This is one of 2 we got left.

1ofthechosen · #98 08-29-2018, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila

Regarding elders, the Bible states:

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Here, the word translated 'obey' means to hear, understand, i.e. to listen attentively to; by impl. to heed or conform to a command or authority. But it isn't as one blindly obeys orders. There is the sense of being "convinced" by those who rule over us. We are to study the Word and compare what they teach to the Bible. If they depart from the Bible, they are outside of the Word of God. There is no expectation of obedience regarding pastors that depart from the Word.

My bad didn't see these other posts down here. I wouldn't recommend you follow anyone blindly that would be ridiculous, they couldn't be your pastor Truthfully unless you were convinced of them. Maybe in word, but definitely not in title.

Aquila · #99 08-29-2018, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Thanks for the strawman Aquila, no one ever even mentioned anything close to endorsing such a thing. How much have you had to drink today?

Please don't hi Jack this thread too. This is one of 2 we got left.

Ask yourself how you could have actually responded to my posts.

Did I direct them at you or anyone specific? No.

I just threw some points out there. Most will no doubt agree with those points.

So first, a "strawman" is denounced. What strawman?

Did I say anyone here was endorsing such a thing? I figured I'd get agreement.

Then you insinuate that I'm drinking.

And then ask me not to hijack the thread.

You are responding with hostility.

If you agree, why not just respond with a "

"?

1ofthechosen · #**100** 08-29-2018, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ask yourself how you could have actually responded to my posts.

Did I direct them at you or anyone specific? No.

I just threw some points out there. Most will no doubt agree with those points.

So first, a "strawman" is denounced. What strawman?

Did I say anyone here was endorsing such a thing? I figured I'd get agreement.

Then you insinuate that I'm drinking.

And then ask me not to hijack the thread.

You are responding with hostility.

If you agree, why not just respond with a "

"?

Because it was off topic and going to left field. Thats not even what this discussion was about. Thats just a topic Tithesmeister brought to this discussion.

Not being convinced of "your Pastor" is a a oxymoron.