Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Originalist]

. From Strict Baptist;1523704]Let me clarify my use of the term "subsistence" since Originalist did make a valid point. The 1689 Second London Baptist Confession employs it, yet as reads below, I believe in incarnation Sonship and not filiation or spiration. None of the Waldensian creeds support eternal Sonship,

BRAVO!! I wish I was right there so I could shake your hand! I came to the Lord in 1980. From 1986 to 1993 I was licensed with the Assemblies of God. Back then few seemed to believe in eternal sonship. Most embraced the incarnation view as you do. There are many similarities between the incarnational sonship Trinitarian view and the oneness view. I discuss this in my essay.



and likewise the 1646 First London was absent of these doctrines as well as other early creeds from the Strict and Particular Baptists.

The 1689 Second London reads in Chapter II, Of God & the Holy Trinity --[/QUOTE]

[Esaias]

So you reject the Second London Baptist Confession?

[Praxeas]

Strict Baptist doesn't seem to interact much with my responses

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Strict Baptist doesn't seem to interact much with my responses

I think he said he would gone for a few days.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think he said he would gone for a few days.

He is riding the bus.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Only God can judge the souls of men. Only God can choose what He will forgive and what He will not. Only God knows if one's faith is sincere or if it is mere religious sentiment.

Saved by works of kindness, sweetness, religious fame?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Is Trinitarianism error? Yes.

Not by the standard you created, you have built a paradigm which isn't predicated on Truth. But predicated on what you consider as "mercy?" Is a man more righteous than God? Sadly you think so, because if God tosses some Three Godder into Hell, He isn't kind?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do all Trinitarians understand the depths of that error? No.

They should, and if they don't they should get it together. But skippy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are many Trinitarians of sincere faith? Yes.

That my boy, is a bunch of baloney, quite frankly based on noting more than assumption. Also negated by your opening statement, that only God knows men's hearts. So, my man, stay in Jesus name truth, tell the Trinitarian to get his good stuff together and walk in the light as Jesus is in the light. Then move on. All Trinitarians are going to a lake that burns with fire and brimstone. Period. Jesus is our Father, and maybe StrictBaptist needs to watch Michael the Disciples videos a few times.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are all who attend Trinitarian churches truly "Trinitarian" in their understanding? No.

Bro, Trinitarians mostly are Tritheistic like Mormons. While they don't believe God is on planet kolob, they sure believe in Three Separate PERSONS. Not One God, but three.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do many Trinitarians have the Holy Spirit? Yes.

Then they need a jump start on their Spirit of Truth.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Because of these things, I don't feel comfortable claiming that I know for a fact that

Bro, that's it in a nutshell. You don't "feel" comfortable. This isn't about our feelings which are derived from our culture. Bro, how can you make a statement that Trinitarianism is WRONG, but holds no consequences? The logic to its wrongness would therefore be dire as far as God would be concerned. Why, because God makes such a big deal out of Truth. Look at StrictBaptist, you see him waffling? You see him trying to gain some common ground and be all chill? No, that joker "believes" Oneness Apostolics are as lost. That's what always strikes me funny, the whole nicer than Jesus thing, while WalksinIslam, and posters like StrictBaptist are allowed to ecclesiastically rape and pillage.

Originally Posted by Aquila

all in Trinitarian churches are going to Hell.

Faster than drooling snot out of a baby's nose.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nor can I argue that all Trinitarians are saved.

Because they aren't. The Old Testament doesn't teach three separate persons. Jesus is our FATHER, and if He isn't our FATHER, then we aren't in the Body of Christ.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ultimately, God is a sovereign God. And He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy.

Bro, you need to check out what on earth you are quoting. Because your understanding of that quote is what you heard through church chat. Paul is quoting from Exodus 33:19 in describing the event of the birth of Esau and Jacob. How God loved Jacob, but hated Esau, Jacob being the father of the Tribes which would become nations. One being Judah who would bring forth the great King and Christ. I will have mercy on the object of my mercy is what it means. God having mercy on such a rebellious people like those HE SAVED out of Egypt. All through a leader like Moses. Yet, were ALL Israel saved? No, only a remnant, and what made them the remnant? That they accepted the Christ and were baptized in His name. God sovereignty doesn't negate His righteousness towards truth.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And I certainly pray that God has mercy on those sincere souls found in every church. But I cannot claim that I know He will.

What a crummy self righteous statement, get off your rear end and do something about it. Instead of saying lay me down to sleep prayers that some poor soul in some stale bread Baptist Church will have a moment.
If someone is sincere then they need to have a Peter go to Joppa. Instead of someone mumbling prayers, walking softly on lotus petals, robed in saffron.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But I do know this....

Originally Posted by Aquila

Only God can judge the souls of men. Only God can choose what He will forgive and what He will not. Only God knows if one's faith is sincere or if it is mere religious sentiment.

Bro, your opening statement puts a 45.cal round right through your closing statement. Is God schizophrenia? Either Acts 2:38 is right or wrong, Either the Mighty God in Christ is right or wrong. Either Jesus' words unless you TRUST that I AM HE you will DIE in YOUR SINS, are either right or wrong. Assurance is what you negate when you make the above statement. Yes, God can do all sorts of things, that is the debate between Atheist and Christian. But God had a plan being the engineer and architect, and when the inspection is due the inspector wants to read the plans! If you have been building it weaker, then you fail inspection. Brother, even nature shows us through science that there is a balance, which cannot be altered, when altered things become extinct. Jesus said the way is narrow and the door is cracked open, and few there will be who finds the entrance. It isn't about our feelings what number rebar we think we can get away with in the slab of concrete. It is about what is on the plans which Jesus Christ prepared for them who LOVE HIM.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Outside of obeying Acts 2:38 there is no assurance of salvation.

Bro, that sounds great, but you need to add some more salt. Saying that God at the last minute will let John Calvin through the door right behind Jimmy Swaggart? Then you actually have no plumb line, and the whole thing is out of whack.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, that's it in a nutshell. You don't "feel" comfortable. This isn't about our feelings which are derived from our culture. Bro, how can you make a statement that Trinitarianism is WRONG, but holds no consequences? The logic to its wrongness would therefore be dire as far as God would be concerned. Why, because God makes such a big deal out of Truth. Look at StrictBaptist, you see him waffling? You see him trying to gain some common ground and be all chill? No, that joker "believes" Oneness Apostolics are as lost. That's what always strikes me funny, the whole nicer than Jesus thing, while WalksinIslam, and posters like StrictBaptist are allowed to ecclesiastically rape and pillage

Is this any different from someone saying post tribulation eschatology (you are a full preterist, hence my example) is WRONG, but holds no consequences?

Is anyone who does NOT believe full preterism doctrine bound for hell?

If the answer is no, how do you distinguish what doctrines are essential to eternal life?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Is this any different from someone saying post tribulation eschatology (you are a full preterist, hence my example) is WRONG, but holds no consequences?

Is anyone who does NOT believe full preterism doctrine bound for hell?

If the answer is no, how do you distinguish what doctrines are essential to eternal life?

Because the issue is God in Christ, if we don't accept that He is the Christ and God we will die in our sins. Therefore soteriology is the starting blocks beyond whatever flavor of the gamut of eschatology that is out there. Walking around believing Jesus is the second person in a godhead, baptized in titles, while not believing in speaking in tongues? Outweighs if an Acts 2:38 brother or sister believes Donald Trump is the Antichrist.

Bro, if the car doesn't have spark plugs and a battery, then why are we worried about the muffler?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Is this any different from someone saying post tribulation eschatology (you are a full preterist, hence my example) is WRONG, but holds no consequences?

Is anyone who does NOT believe full preterism doctrine bound for hell?

If the answer is no, how do you distinguish what doctrines are essential to eternal life?

What I find interesting is that Dominic actually believes a doctrine strongly condemned in the scripture, and says "no big deal", but goes around in the strongest terms condemning other folks to hell, without a hint of remorse, sympathy, or self doubt.

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:16..-‬18 KJV

EB,
You keep asking me "do you even lift",
But I must ask, "do you even know Christ?"
You demeanor and arrogance leaves it an open question, and that's before even considering your heretical eschatology.

But , speaking the truth in love may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:15.., ‬20..-‬21.., ‬24..-‬25.., ‬29..-‬32 KJV

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

EB,
You keep asking me "do you even lift",

Obviously, you don't. Noting heavier than your dinner fork and plate.

Originally Posted by Jason B

But I must ask, "do you even know Christ?"

Looks like more than you. You angry little boy. So, upset that you left the Pentecostals and now stuck in some sort of made up religious limbo. All you have to go on is my eschatology. Heretical? You should talk when you make it up as you go along. Everything from soteriology and every other ology. Jason, you whacked out back in the no tithing days, and you are still caught in the vacuum of religion. What a laugh, no, you don't lift, and you don't have a clue who Jesus is.

Originally Posted by Jason B

You demeanor and arrogance leaves it an open question, and that's before even considering your heretical eschatology.

Your demeanor is that of a pouty child who couldn't make it around the Apostolics so you created your own hybrid.

Originally Posted by Jason B

But , speaking the truth in love may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:15.., ‬20..-‬21.., ‬24..-‬25.., ‬29..-‬32 KJV

Oh, is that what you are doing? Is the above what you are doing Jason?