Healthcare is not a right

[Amanah]

http://www.expatica.com/ch/healthcar...nd_103130.html

Swiss healthcare is outstanding. Its combined public, subsidised private and totally private healthcare system create an extensive network of highly qualified doctors (many of them from elsewhere in the EU) and hospitals, the best equipped medical facilities and no waiting lists, but it all comes at a price: around 10 percent of the average Swiss salary goes towards health insurance premiums. .. There is no free state health service in Switzerland. . . .


Basic health insurance in Switzerland

There are around 80 health insurance companies in Switzerland, each offering the same benefits in their basic health insurance policies and they are obliged to accept anyone who applies, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

The basic health insurance policy covers:
Out-patient treatment by officially recognised doctors;
Emergency treatment;
A contribution to transport/rescue expenses;
Medicines prescribed by a doctor and on an official list;
Maternity check-ups, tests, ante-natal classes, childbirth;
Abortions and gynaecological check-ups;
Vaccinations;
Rehabilitation after operations or illness;
Medical treatment when on short trips outside of Switzerland;
Some alternative therapies, like homeopathy and Chinese medicine and psychotherapy if this is given within the medical practice.


The patient's contribution
In any given year, adults have to pay the first CHF 300 of any medical treatment themselves, except for maternity services. This contribution is called an ‘excess’. The insurance will only pay what exceeds the excess and even then, the patient has to pay 10 percent of that amount. This is called the ‘deductible’ and is limited to CHF 700 per year or CHF 350 per year for children. If you need to go to hospital, you have to pay CHF 15 per day.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Does the Constitution entitle anyone to the right to have a toilet in their dwelling? I don't think so. But as a society we have laws and ordinances requiring that adequate facilities be provided for relieving ourselves and the disposal of our waste. It would be a public health nightmare without it. Ah.... there's that thought again... the public health.

Who wants to live in a society where the sick can't pay for treatment and walk around getting everyone else sick? Who wants to live in a society wherein the sick are dying on park benches or suffering and dying at home in the arms of their families who are helplessly unable to make a difference for them?

You obviously are clueless. The Constitution does not GIVE rights!

[Amanah]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

Healthcare in Switzerland is universal[3] and is regulated by the Swiss Federal Law on Health Insurance. There are no free state-provided health services, but private health insurance is compulsory for all persons residing in Switzerland (within three months of taking up residence or being born in the country).[4][5][6] International civil servants, members of embassies, and their family members are exempted from compulsory health insurance. Requests for exemptions are handled by the respective cantonal authority and have to be addressed to them directly.[7]

The whole healthcare system is geared toward the general goals of keeping the system competitive across cantonal lines, promoting general public health and reducing costs while encouraging individual responsibility.

Health insurance covers the costs of medical treatment and hospitalisation of the insured. However, the insured person pays part of the cost of treatment. This is done (a) by means of an annual deductible (called the franchise), which ranges from CHF 300 (PPP-adjusted US$ 184) to a maximum of CHF 2,500 (PPP-adjusted $1,534) for an adult as chosen by the insured person (premiums are adjusted accordingly) and (b) by a charge of 10% of the costs over and above the excess up to a stop-loss amount of CHF 700 (PPP-adjusted $429).

Switzerland has an infant mortality rate of about 3.6 out of 1,000. The general life expectancy in 2013 was for men 80.5 years compared to 84.8 years for women.[8] These are among the world's best figures.[9]

[Amanah]

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ill-of-rights/

What is the Bill of Rights?

The Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments guarantee essential rights and civil liberties, such as the right to free speech and the right to a fair trial, as well as reserving rights to the people and the states.

As a distinct historical document, drafted separately from the seven articles that form the body of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights has its own fascinating story. But ever since the first 10 amendments were ratified in 1791, the Bill of Rights has also been an integral part of the Constitution.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

http://www.expatica.com/ch/healthcar...nd_103130.html

Swiss healthcare is outstanding. Its combined public, subsidised private and totally private healthcare system create an extensive network of highly qualified doctors (many of them from elsewhere in the EU) and hospitals, the best equipped medical facilities and no waiting lists, but it all comes at a price: around 10 percent of the average Swiss salary goes towards health insurance premiums. .. There is no free state health service in Switzerland. . . .


Basic health insurance in Switzerland

There are around 80 health insurance companies in Switzerland, each offering the same benefits in their basic health insurance policies and they are obliged to accept anyone who applies, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

The basic health insurance policy covers:
Out-patient treatment by officially recognised doctors;
Emergency treatment;
A contribution to transport/rescue expenses;
Medicines prescribed by a doctor and on an official list;
Maternity check-ups, tests, ante-natal classes, childbirth;
Abortions and gynaecological check-ups;
Vaccinations;
Rehabilitation after operations or illness;
Medical treatment when on short trips outside of Switzerland;
Some alternative therapies, like homeopathy and Chinese medicine and psychotherapy if this is given within the medical practice.


The patient's contribution
In any given year, adults have to pay the first CHF 300 of any medical treatment themselves, except for maternity services. This contribution is called an ‘excess’. The insurance will only pay what exceeds the excess and even then, the patient has to pay 10 percent of that amount. This is called the ‘deductible’ and is limited to CHF 700 per year or CHF 350 per year for children. If you need to go to hospital, you have to pay CHF 15 per day.

Again, a very small country compared to the USA where the people choose high taxation over economic freedom. Americans will never go for that.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ill-of-rights/

What is the Bill of Rights?

The Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments guarantee essential rights and civil liberties, such as the right to free speech and the right to a fair trial, as well as reserving rights to the people and the states.

As a distinct historical document, drafted separately from the seven articles that form the body of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights has its own fascinating story. But ever since the first 10 amendments were ratified in 1791, the Bill of Rights has also been an integral part of the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights was not actually needed. It did not bestow a single right on anyone. Those who think it did do not know its history.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

While it is true that HC is not a right under our constitution, I don't believe it is part of our values as Americans to let people die on the streets because they cant afford health care.

A straw-man argument.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, a very small country compared to the USA where the people choose high taxation over economic freedom. Americans will never go for that.

we got started down that path with Obama care, now we have to fix it.

from what I have read, Obama care took some of what the Swiss did, but not all of it.

one thing the Swiss did was divorce health care from people's jobs, which takes the burden off of employers and improves business.

Maybe, since we are going down that path anyway, we can learn from what the Swiss did to fix what is messed up.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

we got started down that path with Obama care, now we have to fix it.

from what I have read, Obama care took some of what the Swiss did, but not all of it.

one thing the Swiss did was divorce health care from people's jobs, which takes the burden off of employers and improves business.

Maybe, since we are going down that path anyway, we can learn from what the Swiss did to fix what is messed up.

This is exactly what they wanted - a bad Obamacare that was so messed up everyone would want to "fix it". What a bunch of idiots we have become.

Whatever happened to REPEAL? The FIRST thing we should do is REPEAL Obummercare, not "fix it".

That "we gotta fix it" scam is just that - a scam. We're being ripped off.

Again.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is exactly what they wanted - a bad Obamacare that was so messed up everyone would want to "fix it". What a bunch of idiots we have become.

Whatever happened to REPEAL? The FIRST thing we should do is REPEAL Obummercare, not "fix it".

That "we gotta fix it" scam is just that - a scam. We're being ripped off.

Again.

do you think Trump will be able to repeal/replace it successfully?