Innocent party - Page 10

Aquila · #91 08-23-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DanShaf

What God hath joined together,let not man put asunder.If you have been married while living for Jesus Christ..and you are a part of His body...YOU ARE MARRIED!

I heard a woman argue that it states "what God hath put together". Therefore, if God didn't put together a marriage, it should be put asunder. I think that's not the point... but I thought I'd throw this in here.

Aquila · #92 08-23-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

So, what should the already divorced and remarried people do in response to your "PREACHING?"

Bingo. Applied theology. If it can't be applied to real world situations that people face... it's just a theological opinion.

Aquila · #93 08-23-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Aquila I understand your feelings but my quandry is simple I fail to find instructions on telling them what to do? If I found them I would cite them if it killed every cow in Texas. But I cannot go beyond what I find is written? Again not a sidestep I have not been known for being a sidestepper. Just want to make sure if I tell someone to divorce I have scripture to back me up?

I love your honesty as expressed in the bolded words. My quandary is this... and perhaps it's a far more serious quandary than your own. I'm divorced... and I've discovered that celibacy is obviously not for me. lol Just being honest.

Aquila · #94 08-23-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think also this is a stretch of the passage? If that would apply it would be great. Help us more Aquila on that passage yur take is interesting to say the least. Well I have held my position my entire ministry and never told anyone to divorce. However I have not held my tongue preaching agains the sin of divorce and remarriage.

I explained it a little bit in response to another on post... #90.

DanShaf · #95 08-23-2013, 01:05 PM

Baptism is accomplished for the remission of sins. Several times in my ministry I have refused to baptize individuals who desired baptism because I doubted their sincerity and their understanding. Cults are made up by individuals who believe that they have the power to forgive sins or not! I have also seen Apostolic preachers overstep the bounds of their authority and make HORRIBLE mistakes..

Aquila · #96 08-23-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DanShaf

Baptism is accomplished for the remission of sins. Several times in my ministry I have refused to baptize individuals who desired baptism because I doubted their sincerity and their understanding. Cults are made up by individuals who believe that they have the power to forgive sins or not! I have also seen Apostolic preachers overstep the bounds of their authority and make HORRIBLE mistakes..

Let's look at the text yet again... let's stick to it's literal wording and meaning...

John 20:21-23 (KJV)
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Where is baptism mentioned in this text???

You see... first you said it was about establishing doctrine. That's not mentioned here. Now you're saying that it's about baptism. Baptism isn't mentioned here either. Word for word... literally... what does it mean???

Exactly what it says. That's what it means.

Aquila · #97 08-23-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DanShaf

I have also seen Apostolic preachers overstep the bounds of their authority and make HORRIBLE mistakes..

I have seen elders use this authority when another was extremely sick and dying in a hospital and couldn't be moved, but was sincerely repentant. It's often accompanied via the "anointing with oil".

James 5:14-15 (KJV)
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

This sacrament is a manner of delivering both healing and divine grace to the desperately ill.

Aquila · #98 08-23-2013, 01:23 PM

When the church (or a fellow saint) is in a quandary, Apostolic Authority is a doctrine to fall back on. With Apostolic Authority, as granted and guided by the Holy Spirit, the elders can plead the blood of Jesus over an adulterous marriage and have it atoned for and forgiven. Now it can be blessed and the couple live with a clean conscience before God. Praise God for the blood!

On a darker note... the elders can also bind a sin upon a man or couple should they dare tempt the body (Ananias & Sapphira). See also... Acts 13:9-11.

Aquila · #99 08-23-2013, 01:25 PM

We also see Apostolic Authority at work in many altar services wherein seekers are struggling to pray through. Pleading the blood and speaking atonement and forgiveness into the life of another is part of our ministry of reconciliation. And we do this regardless as to if one has been baptized or not.

Aquila · #**100** 08-23-2013, 01:27 PM

Notice something here...

John 20:21-23 (KJV)
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Notice Christ's authority while walking the earth...

Luke 5:20
And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Luke 7:48
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mark 2:10
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Luke 5:24
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

We've been sent even as He (Jesus) was sent. We hold the power and authority to remit sin and bind sin through Christ's own power and authority... should the situation require it and the Spirit direct us to do so.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.