Newly Released Photo in Martin/Zimmerman Case

[n david]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

N. David what evidence have you seen to prove Zimm followed Trayvon?

Listen to the 911 call. He tells the operator that TM was running. You then hear wind noise as he's walking; and he tells the operator he's following him. You're right, we don't know for fact that he continues to follow him. The reason I believe he did is

1) 3:25 he doesn't know where he's at...even though he lives in the area he tells the operator he's not sure what his location is, "a cut-through" is what he says;
2) 3:35 he's hesitant to give out his address because he didn't want TM to hear him -- if TM ran off, how will he hear Zimmerman give out an address; unless Zimmerman is still following behind him.
3) 3:48 he doesn't tell the operator he'll go back to his car and have the police meet him there, as Truthseeker said; he told the operator to have him "call me and I'll tell him where I'm at." Now, if he's not following him...why doesn't he just say, I'm at my truck; or meet me at this location. Instead he tells the operator to have the police call and he'll tell them where he is.

I think Zimmerman didn't want that ---- to get away. Just like he said at 1:38. So he followed him. Got in a fight and shot him, claiming self-defense. There's a lot in the 911 call that will be used against him. His prejudice. His comment about following him. That they "always get away." That he just wanted police to call him and he'd tell him where he was.

SOURCE LINK -- AUDIO FILES

[n david]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I thought on 911 tape he is telling operator he ifs going back to his vehicle and have police meet him there?

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Thats what I am getting at...lol

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Folks just grab on to part of 911 call that appears to support what they want to believe took place. When racial politics gets involved it can get hairy.

I included a link to the 911 audio. You can listen to the full call, as I did. You were wrong. He didn't say he was going back to his vehicle.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by n david

I included a link to the 911 audio. You can listen to the full call, as I did. You were wrong. He didn't say he was going back to his vehicle.

Yeah I wasn't sure. I will take another look.

[Truthseeker]

Just read transcripts, don't read anything that indicates he kept following. http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...zimmerman.html

[n david]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Just read transcripts, don't read anything that indicates he kept following. http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...zimmerman.html

There's nothing indicating he turned back. Why tell the operator to have the pd call him and he'd tell them where he was? That tells me he was still following.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by n david

There's nothing indicating he turned back. Why tell the operator to have the pd call him and he'd tell them where he was? That tells me he was still following.

Not exactly if I recall correctly the dispatch said something about meeting the cops by the mailbox shed which was near the clubhouse and quite some ways from where Z saw TM last and even a distance from where he was parked. He seemed to try to direct them to where he was parked.

Though you are right that its possibly an indication he was still following but it could make just as much sense to want the cops to meet him where he was presently instead of going all the way back to the mail box and then have to direct them all the way back to where he saw TM last.

[n david]

Originally Posted by J4Truth

Not exactly if I recall correctly the dispatch said something about meeting the cops by the mailbox shed which was near the clubhouse and quite some ways from where Z saw TM last and even a distance from where he was parked. He seemed to try to direct them to where he was parked.

Though you are right that its possibly an indication he was still following but it could make just as much sense to want the cops to meet him where he was presently instead of going all the way back to the mail box and then have to direct them all the way back to where he saw TM last.

In one of my previous posts, I gave the timestamp of the audio.

3:48 he doesn't tell the operator he'll go back to his car and have the police meet him there, as Truthseeker said; he told the operator to have him "call me and I'll tell him where I'm at." Now, if he's not following him...why doesn't he just say, I'm at my truck; or meet me at this location. Instead he tells the operator to have the police call and he'll tell them where he is.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by n david

In one of my previous posts, I gave the timestamp of the audio.

3:48 he doesn't tell the operator he'll go back to his car and have the police meet him there, as Truthseeker said; he told the operator to have him "call me and I'll tell him where I'm at." Now, if he's not following him...why doesn't he just say, I'm at my truck; or meet me at this location. Instead he tells the operator to have the police call and he'll tell them where he is.

Actually the conversation ends around him telling them to call him and he'll tell where's he at. But first he tried to direct them to his truck. Then they wanted an address of where his truck was parked. He's obviously is not near enough to his truck to give an address right away (he walked or ran a ways from it before he was told to not follow). Then dispatch just ask for his house address and he don't want to give it out (its dark and he states he don't know where TM went) then dispatch say meet at the mail boxes then he basically says just have the police call me and he'll direct them to where's he at.

But like I said it could be possible that he was still following but on the other hand its not really definate and could just as easily be otherwise. The mail box is what the dispatch called for the final meeting place. It still makes sense to just say have the police call me and I'll direct them.

[n david]

Originally Posted by J4Truth

Actually the conversation ends around him telling them to call him and he'll tell where's he at. But first he tried to direct them to his truck. Then they wanted an address of where his truck was parked. He's obviously is not near enough to his truck to give an address right away (he walked or ran a ways from it before he was told to not follow). Then dispatch just ask for his house address and he don't want to give it out (its dark and he states he don't know where TM went) then dispatch say meet at the mail boxes then he basically says just have the police call me and he'll direct them to where's he at.

But like I said it could be possible that he was still following but on the other hand its not really definate and could just as easily be otherwise. The mail box is what the dispatch called for the final meeting place. It still makes sense to just say have the police call me and I'll direct them.

The operator asked where the truck was, he didn't know where he was....said there was a cut-through. That raises another question...what's he doing in his truck there? He just cruising around looking for something?

The reason he didn't want to give his address out was because he didn't want TM to overhear him. I stated this previously as well. He said nothing about it being dark or not knowing where he went...in fact, he says which way he went. If he's not following and if TM ran away...why the worry about TM hearing him?

The mailbox was not the final meeting place. That's where the operator wanted him to meet, but Zimmerman said just have the cops call me and I'll tell them where I am. Doesn't sound like the words of a guy peacefully sitting by his truck.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by n david

The operator asked where the truck was, he didn't know where he was....said there was a cut-through. That raises another question...what's he doing in his truck there? He just cruising around looking for something?

The reason he didn't want to give his address out was because he didn't want TM to overhear him. I stated this previously as well. He said nothing about it being dark or not knowing where he went...in fact, he says which way he went. If he's not following and if TM ran away...why the worry about TM hearing him?

The mailbox was not the final meeting place. That's where the operator wanted him to meet, but Zimmerman said just have the cops call me and I'll tell them where I am. Doesn't sound like the words of a guy peacefully sitting by his truck.

Actually Z says he "don't know where this kid is" as the reason for not wanting to give out his home address. He didn't state that he was presently following him and didn't want TM to overhear him. That's just speculation. Possible reasoning, but just speculation. Z stated TM ran toward the back entrance but also said he didn't know where he was. I know he didn't say anything about it being dark, I got that from somewhere else I think where someone went back to the place during the aniversary of the shooting around the same time and that person stated it was pretty dark on or near the path because of no street lights.

Also the mailbox was the final meeting place the operator called for but after talking about meeting at his truck then speaking about his house address and then finally meeting way back at the mailbox, to finally say just have the police call me and I'll direct them to me don't seem to farfetched as you seem to be making it out to be.