Romney VP Pick Today 9AM

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

DB,
This is a precursor of things coming out about Ryan. From 2009 -



There are also more than two Tea Party factions that will be showing up at Convention. And another group, besides the Ron Paul supporters have formed a group called Dump ROMinee (http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/co...omney-campaign)

They have all said that the Ryan VP pick makes no difference to them. The point is, Romney really ticked people off during the primaries and we are not forgetting or forgiving.

If the Tea Party espouses what you do on this forum then I disavow any support for them as it is just ridiculousness that will only margainilize mainstream conservatives and Republicans.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

po, i think you are a brave soldier of truth. even though i am not republican, i prefer true conservatives to rinos. keep on marching.

Well, thanks DM. Sometimes I am not sure if you are being facetious or not. I'm surprised how we giddily run after the "R" label without checking records. And even then, some don't care, just give me a Republican - because he speaks really well and has nice hair. lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

If the Tea Party espouses what you do on this forum then I disavow any support for them as it is just ridiculousness that will only margainilize mainstream conservatives and Republicans.

If we keep going down the moderate, status quo road you advocate, nothing changes and nothing has.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your post here reflects my thoughts exactly. PO is willing to waste so much energy hating Romney that she completely misses the point that Romney at his worst is so many times better than Obama at his best.

It makes absolutely no sense to what she is doing. If this were just a normal election year with a decent economy and a Nation not heading full tilt towards Socialism it might be ok to have a little hissy fit and not support the guy you don't like. However that is not the case.

More than probably any modern election the results of this election will set America on one of two very different paths. Not only our economic path but our judicial one as probably 2 new Supreme Court justices will be appointed during the next 4 years along with a lot of Federal judges. All appointed for life.

I give up on PO and just hope there are not many conservatives as irrational as she is about this election because if there is there won't be a conservative elected for a very long time and Liberal Democrats will have free reign to accelerate the destruction of our country as we know it.

Si, Se Puede, It is about breaking the corruption in our own party. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others.

[Esaias]

I find it interesting how many people act as if this carnival sideshow called 'the election' reflects actual political reality.
[rant on]
Myth: Hey, you gotta get out and vote for So-And-So, he's the dude with the tude who's gonna save America! Or at least help the country out...

Truth: YOU don't vote for President. The Electoral College does. The media and ALL political parties (including the Dems, the Repubs, the Libertarians, et al) promote this absolute driveling nonsensical farce of a LIE that the popular vote determines something more than jack diddly. The constitution is CLEAR, the reality of the election process is clear, and yet the parties and the media continue to push this delusion that the popular vote determines something of any real importance.

Myth: Obama is a socialist and Romney the Republican is the CLEAR CHOICE for heading off the Obamacalypse.

Truth: Obama is a statist, who supports big government. Romney is a statist who supports big government. Look at Massachusetts and Romney's 'resume' and you call that a 'clear alternative' to Obama? HAHAHA. Obamacare? It's nationwide Romneycare. Obama wants to take your guns? Romney already did in Massachusetts. Obama is pro-abortion? Romney is too. Obama is pro-sodomite marriage? Romney (while serving with the Boy Scouts, USA) opined that the BSA ought to let sodomites have access to your children. There is no SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN the big-government Democrats and the big-government Republicans as far as what they ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH - which is BIGGER GOVERNMENT, every single term.

Myth: Ryan is energizing the Tea Party anti-establishment conservatives, because he is anti-establishment conservative! Ryan is small-government conservatism made flesh!

Truth: Ryan voted FOR the bailouts. THAT AND THAT ALONE disqualifies him as ANYTHING other than a big-government statist. He voted to sell OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S GRANDCHILDREN into financial debt servitude to make sure the banks got as much of the American pie as possible. He voted FOR the NDAA '12 which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens IN CONUS on mere 'suspicion', allows them to be handed over the military, and 'renditioned' anywhere in the world. Which, for those who care, is all ILLEGAL under the constitition. Ryan is a statist. Romney is a statist. Obama is a statist.

Arguing about Obama vs Romney, or Democrat vs Republican, is like arguing Hitler vs Stalin, or Lenin vs Trotsky, or Mao vs Mussolini.

A statist is as a statist does.

IN SPITE OF how sweet they all talk (boy, they sure know how to SOUND like what you want to hear) they all result in the same thing - MORE government control of private lives, more regulation of commerce, more taxation in the long run, more police state, more government power, less freedom, less privacy, less LIBERTY.

[rant off]

Thank you for listening, we have some nice parting gifts for you all. Ya'll come back, now, ya hear!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Si, Se Puede, It is about breaking the corruption in our own party. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others.

Gonna reform the party of Lincoln, eh?

Good luck with that.

After the betrayal by the 'conservative freshmen Representatives' *I* helped elect in 2010, and after the absolutely vile Obama-esque shenanigans of the GOP control matrix in this election cycle, and the sheer stupidity of the Paul campaign in both election cycles, I am leaning towards a little bit of cynicism that national politics in America can be 'purged' of corruption in any meaningful way.

George Washington was right.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CC1

Not only our economic path but our judicial one as probably 2 new Supreme Court justices will be appointed during the next 4 years along with a lot of Federal judges. All appointed for life.

Wasn't the Obamacare abomination upheld because a 'conservative justice' had a sudden case of dementia just recently?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your post here reflects my thoughts exactly. PO is willing to waste so much energy hating Romney that she completely misses the point that Romney at his worst is so many times better than Obama at his best.

It makes absolutely no sense to what she is doing. If this were just a normal election year with a decent economy and a Nation not heading full tilt towards Socialism it might be ok to have a little hissy fit and not support the guy you don't like. However that is not the case.

More than probably any modern election the results of this election will set America on one of two very different paths. Not only our economic path but our judicial one as probably 2 new Supreme Court justices will be appointed during the next 4 years along with a lot of Federal judges. All appointed for life.

I give up on PO and just hope there are not many conservatives as irrational as she is about this election because if there is there won't be a conservative elected for a very long time and Liberal Democrats will have free reign to accelerate the destruction of our country as we know it.

My wife always asks me why I go round and round with people whose minds will never be changed. I tell her that there are a lot of people who read and never post, and if I cam convince one person to vote to keep Obama from the Oval Office another four years, it's worth it. When posters like PO, DM and others paint this election in a different light, I also want to counter the misinformation or the lack of perspective that their posts contain. "if I can help somebody as I pass along...my living shall not be in vain."

You are 100% correct. This is a monumental election. Think about Obamacare for example. Obamacare did not have a majority of support in Congress. There weren't enough Democrats willing to vote for it. But Team Obama pulled a fast Chicago style behind closed doors bribery---Cornhusker Kickback with Senator Ben Nelson and the Lousisana Purchase with Senator Mary Landrieu under the cloak of secrecy. Then there a dozen pro-life Democrats in the House who opposed the abortion provisions in the bill. The final holdout, Bart Stupak of MI, was promised an executive order from President Obama that would prevent federal dollars from funding abortions in Obamacare that was later disavowed by Debbie Wasserman Schultz as meaningless because Obamacare was the law of the land.

The result was a historic midterm election in 2010 that saw the largest turnaround in an opposition party shift. Obama was willing to risk losing power in Congress for this giant power grab. He was willing to lose the House and Senate to fundamentally change America and our freedom to choose our own means of healthcare. Willing to go to those lengths, shady, politically costly and publicly shameful because he knew that America would forever be changed in a more socialistic, liberal way than ever before.

What lengths will he go with four more years and zero fear of not being reelected, with nothing holding him back to implement his vision of a Western European-style socialist state diminishing America's economic strength and influence in the world for freedom and democracy?

This election IS pivotal. Our economy is on an unsustainable path and the only plan Obama can offer is some token promises to cut spending but definite promises to raise taxes on job creators, with no real plan to create jobs (we get the usual "schools, bridges, roads, firemen and police" mantra---but how does that grow the economy?) and basically the plan is keep the status quo WHICH IS A GUARANTEE FOR FAILURE!

It's like being told that the bridge is out and the train is headed for a wreck and saying, "Conductor Romney plans to cut the amount of coal in the coal car!" What? We are headed for total bankruptcy and a Great Depression like we've never seen---and all Obama can offer is demagoguery!!! NO PLAN IS A PLAN!

But that dastardly Romney passes out subs at his rallies!!!!! Western civilization is on the brink!!!!!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by CC1

If the Tea Party espouses what you do on this forum then I disavow any support for them as it is just ridiculousness that will only margainilize mainstream conservatives and Republicans.

A man in our church is very active in local Tea Party activities. He wasn't going to vote for Romney until the Paul Ryan pick. His preference was Rand Paul, but he's content with Ryan and will now vote for Romney in November. Many conservative voters (minus PO and some others) have been solidified for Nov 6 with the PR pick. It was a smart move by Romney.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, thanks DM. Sometimes I am not sure if you are being facetious or not. I'm surprised how we giddily run after the "R" label without checking records. And even then, some don't care, just give me a Republican - because he speaks really well and has nice hair. lol

PO you don't get it.