Bad Things About The Pentecostal Religion?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

This is where you and I differ Jay. I respect that you are a fine, upstanding young man who loves God and wants to live for him. But I have nearly 30 years on you, seen and experienced life in a different way than you have. Being aware of where people come from and having empathy with them are horses of two different colors. And actually experiencing the trauma is a whole 'nuther thing. It's been my experience that the apostolics in my region don't want to know what one has experienced. The goal is to follow the leader. They cannot handle the anger people feel after traumatic experiences. They take it personally instead of just being kind. I know that is not an easy thing to do, but many just do not even try.

And I'm sorry, but I am not trying to be abrasive here. Just trying to share my feelings.

There is nothing scriptural about "obeying the pastor". He is but a mere man who makes mistakes too. I've seen people leave churches because of the pastor not having the ability to listen to the people or have any empathy. Some pastors only want obedience, like they are god. Some have just been in the same church for so long that it becomes their kingdom. Someone I know described to me a pastor who was shaking his finger at people saying "Nobody tells me what to do in my church"!!

His church? I thought the churches are Christ's churches.

Not worrying about carnal people is easier if I don't have to spend my church services with them...watching them laugh at other people or snub others who may not look the part. A loving and kind church is hard to find. When I do find one, they are miles and miles away and cannot visit very often.

My God is a loving God. He shed his blood for my salvation. Loving Him is easy. But nowhere does God insist that people have to continue to attend any place that is abusive. Even Paul separated himself from people whom he disagreed with in order to keep peace.

Mom watched a lady cry in the hallway of a church because of some of the things that the pastor was doing, but she also very quickly pulled herself together and served the Lord. Eventually the pastor died and she is still there. From what I understand, the church has begun to grow after having been stagnant for a time. I knew the young people were carnal, as were some of the adults. However, the solution to not watching the carnal is to sit at the front. As the saying goes, 'the more dedicated you are, the closer to the front you want to sit.' I have found this to be true, and I have noticed that those who sit closer have less to say about the carnality of the ones behind them.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Churches are to much "turned inwards".
We should start to think about what hell really is.
If we really believe in hell we should not be able to rest till we get as many people as possible saved!
Most churches are to much caught up in all kinds of "programs" to keep the flock happy and to keep the tithes and offerings flowing in.

Is hell real? Yes!
How many people on your street will go to hell when they die?

Churches need to turn outward to the lost!
Forget about all the little disagreements!
Get people saved!

There are 1000's in hell right now because Christians were to busy with themselves.

Sadly you are right.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Jay

Mom watched a lady cry in the hallway of a church because of some of the things that the pastor was doing, but she also very quickly pulled herself together and served the Lord. Eventually the pastor died and she is still there. From what I understand, the church has begun to grow after having been stagnant for a time. I knew the young people were carnal, as were some of the adults. However, the solution to not watching the carnal is to sit at the front. As the saying goes, 'the more dedicated you are, the closer to the front you want to sit.' I have found this to be true, and I have noticed that those who sit closer have less to say about the carnality of the ones behind them.

We sat very close to the front when I was little. I use to turn around and look behind me, then my Mother would pinch me. The goings on behind me seemed much more appealing than some parts of the service.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Cindy

We sat very close to the front when I was little. I use to turn around and look behind me, then my Mother would pinch me. The goings on behind me seemed much more appealing than some parts of the service.

LOL

I was actually made to sit in the front for several years but as I got older I sat in the back. I could care less about the people in front of me but hated the thought of people watching the back of my head.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

LOL

I was actually made to sit in the front for several years but as I got older I sat in the back. I could care less about the people in front of me but hated the thought of people watching the back of my head.

I was just nosy. I especially liked watching the teenagers that sat toward the back.

[Jay]

My folks would have never let me sit in the back. The only times that happened was when I became old enough to participate in the work, and became an usher and greeter. The ushers sat at the back of the sanctuary on either side of the entrance. I hate sitting near the back unless I am late for service, and I hate being late for service.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Churches need to turn outward to the lost!
Forget about all the little disagreements!
Get people saved!

There are 1000's in hell right now because Christians were to busy with themselves.

I agree with your post in spirit, Dordt,
but you do not know this last part-
-it is not true. It is not supported
in Scripture. You cannot get anyone saved.

Or, how do you "get people saved?"

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most posters do not believe this period.

Steve, you have become like the "God" of your tradition. You have become what you accuse others of, making God into your image. God doesn't view the vast majority of His creation as you view them, He went to extreme measures to save and redeem, yet in your view He has failed to accomplish what He has willed. The story is not complete, the brokenness of this life will be redeem, by God who is better than our best understanding of Him. God is better than the most magnanimous view that any of us might have of Him!!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Churches are to much "turned inwards".
We should start to think about what hell really is.
If we really believe in hell we should not be able to rest till we get as many people as possible saved!
Most churches are to much caught up in all kinds of "programs" to keep the flock happy and to keep the tithes and offerings flowing in.

Is hell real? Yes!
How many people on your street will go to hell when they die?

Churches need to turn outward to the lost!
Forget about all the little disagreements!
Get people saved!

There are 1000's in hell right now because Christians were to busy with themselves.

God did not delegate the redemption of his creation to humanity. Either yours nor anyone elses final dispostion depends upon what another human does. God handled that thru His Son.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

God did not delegate the redemption of his creation to humanity. Either yours nor anyone elses final dispostion depends upon what another human does. God handled that thru His Son.

u believe all will be saved in the end correct?