Trying to Rescue Another from HMH Doctrine

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The word for long is komao which means 'let her hair grow' can't do that and cut it.

Strong's concordance
komé: hair
Original Word: κόμη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: komé
Phonetic Spelling: (kom'-ay)
Short Definition: hair, long hair
Definition: hair, long hair.

1. Where is your reference for "let it grow"

2. Paul said the covering is only required during PRAYER or PROPHESYING. That in itself makes it OBVIOUS that the covering is something that can be donned on just before PRAYER or PROPHESYING.

3. Paul is using LONG hair to support his argument for artificial covering. Let's read it again:

1 Cor 11
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Paul is using NATURE (naturally, women's hair are longer than that of men) to PROVE to the Corinthians that their women ought to cover their heads. This is the simple English of the text.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Better than my list tell me is there anything a saved person can do to be lost?

This is such a cop out. You are the one who keeps sentencing everyone who does not believe like you do to hell. You should at least be able to preach to us sinners what we must do to be saved.

But to your question, These are Jesus' own words:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Now, can you tell us the list to escape hell...

[Dordrecht]

You should at least be able to preach to us sinners what we must do to be saved.

Don't ask him that question because he will answer it with all kinds of things that are NOT related to what Christ did on the Cross.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Preaching that a woman will go to hell if she trims her hair is false doctrine, plain and simple.

...and Ol Epley believes false doctrine will send ya to hell

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro. Eply's position isn't biblical.

Epleys got as much scripture on this topic as he does on his ban on men having facial hair...... absolutley no corn in the crib.

I don't think God looks to favorable on this type of behavior.

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Wise advise. These folks don't have any affection or respect for Apostolic pastors most don't even go to an Apostolic church.

I think maybe a very few do, but, realizing most don't.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most of these folks have utter contempt for the Apostolic church so don't expect to find any encouragment toward truth.
For example tell us where you go to church?

I don't think some care for WPF too much do they?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Her uncut hair is her covering. That is God given. The "If" is not asking a question but rather saying "SINCE" it is a shame for a woman to be uncoverd. That is really what is being said.

That is how I understand that scripture also, Elder.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

What a nonsense can one find on this forum!

Boy, you hit that nail squarely on the head!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The word for long is komao which means 'let her hair grow' can't do that and cut it.

Even if one assumes it means 'let her hair grow', it still does NOT mean UNCUT.

It is very possible to 'let your hair grow', then trim it.
Then let it grow again, then trim it.
Then let it grow again, then trim it.
Then let it grow again, then trim it... you get the point

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Lacey

That is how I understand that scripture also, Elder

Only one question for you:

1 Cor 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

How do you explain the emboldened?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A woman was not permitted to pray or prophecy in a NT assembly with her head uncovered! Uncut hair is the covering. NO Church of God has the custom of women worshipping with cut hair. See 1 Cor. 11. Very plain and simple to me. A teacher who teaches women can worship in a NT assembly with cut hair is a false teacher and will be lost.

Love ya brother, but I would not want to be you, on judgement day after typing those words underlined above.

I sincerely pray that God would pull the blinders off you before it's to late.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A woman was not permitted to pray or prophecy in a NT assembly with her head uncovered! Uncut hair is the covering. NO Church of God has the custom of women worshipping with cut hair. See 1 Cor. 11. Very plain and simple to me.

You still have not provided scripture Elder Epley.

I Cor 11 does not say uncut hair is necessary for salvation. That is plain and simple.

YOU SAID:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The only prayer God hears a bobbed hair woman pray is when she is repenting. And to teach women can cut their hair is reserving your place in the lake of fire.
There will be no bobbed hair women in the Bride.

Please give scripture that says who will have their place reserved in the lake of fire. Nevermind. I will give these scriptures.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-14
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You folks claiming only faith in the blood saves are you saying folks can have faith in the blood and be a murderer or child molester and be saved?

Sound more like a bunch of Baptists and Apostolics.

Why do you compare women with trimmed hair to a murderer or a child molester? They are in no way on equal standing with a murderer or molester. You never answered my question as to who is the woman hurting when she cuts her hair as compared to a murderer taking away somebody's life or a child molester taking away a child's innocence.

Where is your scripture that supports this statement?

When you show me scripture that gives women who trim their hair and murderers the same condemnation status, then I will believe you.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A teacher who teaches women can worship in a NT assembly with cut hair is a false teacher and will be lost.

Please prove this statement with scripture?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most of these folks have utter contempt for the Apostolic church so don't expect to find any encouragment toward truth.
For example tell us where you go to church?

Could you say that you do not have utter contempt about other denominations?

I for one have NO contempt for the Apostolic Church. I weep for the church because man has mangled what Christ bought and paid for with his blood.


However, I attended an Apostolic church for many years until the Pastor wanted to take over my life as well as every member in there and their household. When a pastor does this, he usurps the husband's authority in the home.

Controlling pastors know no bounds to legalism as someone here truthfully posted. One can do everything a controlling pastor says and it will still not be enough for salvation in his eyes. There will always be some jot or tittle we are not doing to please pastor...even if there is not a shred of Biblical scripture to support the ruling.

Many Apostolic pastors plainly just run people off with all the unscriptural demands and judgments to hell. Then they use the old excuses that Sister so and so "just did not want to live for Christ".

Sorry for all who left because they felt salvation was impossible because of all the legalisms in the church system.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

You still have not provided scripture Elder Epley.

I Cor 11 does not say uncut hair is necessary for salvation. That is plain and simple.

YOU SAID:

Please give scripture that says who will have their place reserved in the lake of fire. Nevermind. I will give these scriptures.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-14
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Why do you compare women with trimmed hair to a murderer or a child molester? They are in no way on equal standing with a murderer or molester. You never answered my question as to who is the woman hurting when she cuts her hair as compared to a murderer taking away somebody's life or a child molester taking away a child's innocence.

Where is your scripture that supports this statement?

When you show me scripture that gives women who trim their hair and murderers the same condemnation status, then I will believe you.

Please prove this statement with scripture?

Could you say that you do not have utter contempt about other denominations?

I for one have NO contempt for the Apostolic Church. I weep for the church because man has mangled what Christ bought and paid for with his blood.

However, I attended an Apostolic church for many years until the Pastor wanted to take over my life as well as every member in there and their household. When a pastor does this, he usurps the husband's authority in the home.

Controlling pastors know no bounds to legalism as someone here truthfully posted. One can do everything a controlling pastor says and it will still not be enough for salvation in his eyes. There will always be some jot or tittle we are not doing to please pastor...even if there is not a shred of Biblical scripture to support the ruling.

Many Apostolic pastors plainly just run people off with all the unscriptural demands and judgments to hell. Then they use the old excuses that Sister so and so "just did not want to live for Christ".

Sorry for all who left because they felt salvation was impossible because of all the legalisms in the church system.

He's quoted all he's got.