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04-25-2012, 09:03 AM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by seekerman
During the 1800s, there's no problem finding Baptist preachers, Methodist preachers, Presbyterian preachers, Mormon preachers, Roman Catholic preachers, Church of Christ preachers, Seventh Day Adventist preachers, Jehovah Witness preachers, Lutheran preachers, Anglican preachers, Eastern orthodox preachers, Unitarian preachers, Amish preachers, Mennonite preachers....just to name a few, but no Apostolic preachers.
Anyone want to take a shot of listing the Apostolic preachers during the 1800s? Or maybe suggest a theory of why there is no record of any Apostolic preachers or churches until they SUDDENLY!!! appeared around 1913?
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Um, the lady who revived "Rapture," in the 1870's, forgot her name, isn't considered "Apostolic?" Not to interrupt your thought...
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04-25-2012, 09:12 AM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Um, the lady who revived "Rapture," in the 1870's, forgot her name, isn't considered "Apostolic?" Not to interrupt your thought...
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You thinking of Margaret McDonald, about 1830, the source of the pre-trib rapture theory which John Nelson Darby popularized?
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04-25-2012, 10:59 AM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by houston
The bible does not support a "singular" name for F,S, HS. "In the name" means in the authority of that name.
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In order to be able to use the authority of the name, you must have the ability to use the name. You can not use the name if it has not been given to you. It is given to you when you are baptized in the name of Jesus.
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04-25-2012, 11:01 AM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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You thinking of Margaret McDonald, about 1830, the source of the pre-trib rapture theory which John Nelson Darby popularized?
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Yup. I wondered why "search" led to him and not her...
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04-25-2012, 12:17 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by Jay
In order to be able to use the authority of the name, you must have the ability to use the name. You can not use the name if it has not been given to you. It is given to you when you are baptized in the name of Jesus.
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Just so I'm clear here, are you saying that people cannot effectively use the name of Jesus until AFTER they've been baptized in the name of Jesus?
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04-25-2012, 12:55 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
This is surely the view espoused by our institutions; narrow though it may sound. Hey, 2 out of 3...
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04-25-2012, 03:04 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by Jay
It is true that CFP did baptize in Jesus' name. His own writings confirm this. Howard Goss was baptized in Jesus' name by CFP, however when the issue of the Oneness of God and the total truth of Jesus' name baptism was seen by him, he was repabtized again so as to be identified with the 'New Issue'. These are all recorded by Ethel Goss, Frank Ewart and others in their writings.
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Parham did baptize in Jesus Name originally but after the 'new issue' he reversed.
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04-25-2012, 03:05 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by Sam
Charles Parham is cited by some OP's as baptizing in Jesus' name and as having baptized Bro. Howard Goss that way, however, if I remember correctly, Bro. Goss was rebaptized after the "New Issue" became an issue. My memory is hazy on this. Perhaps someone can help me out or correct me if I'm wrong.
Note: just because it is recorded somewhere or said somewhere that a person baptizes "in Jesus' Name" does not mean that the name of Jesus is spoken by them at baptism. It could mean that the person baptizes as authorized by Jesus or by His authority. Some believe that Jesus authorized His disciples in Matthew 28:19 to speak the FS&HG words and so when they baptize "in His name" or "by His authority" or "as authorized by Him," they actually repeat the FS&HG words and do not say the name "Jesus" |
And you found this where?
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04-25-2012, 03:08 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by houston
The bible does not support a "singular" name for F,S, HS. "In the name" means in the authority of that name.
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You are confused. Zech. 14:9 says just that. God has ONE saving name. By the authority of is a human invention trying to do away with the truth. The majority of lexcions do not agree with this premise.
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04-25-2012, 03:13 PM
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Re: Apostolic Preachers
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Originally Posted by Jay
In order to be able to use the authority of the name, you must have the ability to use the name. You can not use the name if it has not been given to you. It is given to you when you are baptized in the name of Jesus.
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How'd you extrapolate that?
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