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View Poll Results: Can someone be Apostolic and deny Christ is God?
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:52 PM
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Re: Can Someone be "Apostolic" and Deny Christ is

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I'm pretty sure Peter was an Apostle.

I'm pretty sure Peter received a revelation directly from Jesus' heavenly father.

I'm SURE the revelation went like this:
Thou art (you are) the Christ, the Son of the living God.

So Prax, if I believe the exact same way that Peter declared; SPEAKING by revelation supplied by Jesus' own heavenly father, am I Apostolic....


of course I am.

Now, the important follow-up question is for all the folks who don't believe the scriptural record concerning what PETER, the Apostle, declared by revelation from God!

There are folks lurking among us who do not believe that the Christ was the Son of the living God but instead, they believe that the Christ was a God-man rather than God's only begotten son.

Imagine that, they take plain words and transform them into mysteries that only the initiated can read.
Well first of all, when I used the term "Apostolic" I am speaking of the historical context of the word as used in a particular movement that began with the Pentecostal movement and later to a rejection of the Trinity and a trinitarian form of baptism.

A similar question would be, can one be Trinitarian and not believe in the Trinity? The answer is no.

Clearly most voters here recognize the historical context of the "Apostolic movement" ie Oneness Pentecostalism, includes the recognition of the Deity of Christ

Lastly, I challenge you to quote anyone saying Jesus is NOT the Son of God.

In any case, given your reply, I am assuming you deny the Deity of Christ?

BTW did you vote?
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Re: Can Someone be "Apostolic" and Deny Christ is

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Well first of all, when I used the term "Apostolic" I am speaking of the historical context of the word as used in a particular movement that began with the Pentecostal movement and later to a rejection of the Trinity and a trinitarian form of baptism.

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Oh, you mean those folks in Acts 2?
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Oh, you mean those folks in Acts 2?
No
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  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Didn't those folks in Acts 2 start the Pentecostal movement and reject the Trinitarian form of baptism?
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Didn't those folks in Acts 2 start the Pentecostal movement and reject the Trinitarian form of baptism?
Timmy if you read what I posted I said the started the pentecostal movement and rejected the Trinity. The historical context I am speaking of is the movement that began at the turn of the last century.

Historically speaking it taught baptism in Jesus name, rejected Triune baptism, taught God is one person not three, manifested in three different forms or manifestations, tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, etc etc
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  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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Timmy if you read what I posted I said the started the pentecostal movement and rejected the Trinity. The historical context I am speaking of is the movement that began at the turn of the last century.

Historically speaking it taught baptism in Jesus name, rejected Triune baptism, taught God is one person not three, manifested in three different forms or manifestations, tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, etc etc
Oh, I figured that's what you were referring to. Just messin' with ya. But still, if Apostolics (in the 20th-Century-Oneness-Pentecostal sense of the term) are correct in their interpretation of Acts 2 to support their views, don't they (you) believe what I said about the "folks in Acts 2"? They started the Pentecostal movement. They rejected the Trinitarian formula (simply by establishing the Jesus-name formula). True?
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Didn't those folks in Acts 2 start the Pentecostal movement and reject the Trinitarian form of baptism?
How could the apostles reject the "trinitarian form of baptism" if it never existed? No one was ever baptized in the Bible in the titles, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
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How could the apostles reject the "trinitarian form of baptism" if it never existed? No one was ever baptized in the Bible in the titles, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
By establishing it that way in the first place! Hey, it's a stretch, but I was just messin' with Prax, cut me some slack!
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By establishing it that way in the first place! Hey, it's a stretch, but I was just messin' with Prax, cut me some slack!
(Note: I could have said by rejecting the formula Jesus gave, but I didn't! )
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By establishing it that way in the first place! Hey, it's a stretch, but I was just messin' with Prax, cut me some slack!
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