Gay Pastor's(xupc)recent Letter to the UPCI ! ! !

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Chan

Do you really have such poor reading comprehension skills that you can't understand "You did not show even one passage of scripture that says some abominations (referring to things that are morally detestable, not to things that are ceremonially unclean) are more or less abominable than others"? The only proper response is to show specific passages of scripture showing us that some abominations are more or less abominable than others. Your merely stating that people didn't get stoned for some things but got stoned for others under the Law of Moses doesn't show us anything! The Bible never said that children rebelling against their parents was an abomination but in Exodus God commanded that such children be stoned to death.

Obviously there were some things that were more destructive to the people than other things. It doesn't appear that lying was one of the sins that was a one way ticket to stoning. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Newman

Obviously there were some things that were more destructive to the people than other things. It doesn't appear that lying was one of the sins that was a one way ticket to stoning. Deal with it.

Again, you are spouting moral relativism.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Chan

Again, you are spouting moral relativism.

Better than making blanket statements that can't be supported by Scripture or examples in Scripture...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Chan

But there is a difference between things that were ceremonially unclean (eating shellfish) and things that were morally detestable (idolatry, homosexuality, lying).

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Newman

Better than making blanket statements that can't be supported by Scripture or examples in Scripture...

Not that I made any such blanket statements. And, no, it is not better to spew forth moral relativity because such relativity requires one to deny that the Bible is the absolute inspired, inerrant written revelation of God and that there is no such thing as an actual standard of right and wrong.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Newman

Better than making blanket statements that can't be supported by Scripture or examples in Scripture...

I have read your posts on this thread and want to say AMEN.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Chan

Not that I made any such blanket statements. And, no, it is not better to spew forth moral relativity because such relativity requires one to deny that the Bible is the absolute inspired, inerrant written revelation of God and that there is no such thing as an actual standard of right and wrong.

Chan- Your premise that "There is not even one passage of scripture that says some abominations (referring to things that are morally detestable, not to things that are ceremonially unclean) are more or less abominable than others" isn't true pertaining to the non-eternal consequences that flow from them.

A reasonable person would concede that although of equal eternal consequence; it does appear that there were some distinctions made in Scripture pertaining to acts that were worth stoning someone over and ending marriages over.

Obviously, I don't have a Scripture that says "Some abominations are more or less abominable than others." However, you don't have a Scripture that says "All abominations are equal in the sight of God pertaining to the here and now."

I have never so far as I know; denied that the Bible is the absolute inspired, inerrant written revelation of God. I fully believe that it is the absolute standard of right and wrong.

Taking my cue from Michlow- Given that I don't see the abomination issue exactly as you do, are you now going to talk about my vile and wicked heart?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I know of several and more in process! I do agree that homosexuality is not inheritable, it is not genetic...it is a spirit. It is a very strong and damnable spirit. It takes a lot of work, a submitted life, and a change in friends, environment, thinking, and did I say..."SUBMITTED" life!

Blessings, Rhoni

Rhoni,

Your post is very insightful. I totally agree with your statement that one must submit themselves to Christ and have someone in their life to be accountable to during their journey of deliverance.

Truly, the spirit of homosexuality is very strong and many that are bound have been bound for many, many years. Earlier on this thread, it was mentioned that many that have fallen into this sin were molested as children.

Sadly, that is reality for many and injustice of that act becomes a very damaging obstacle to overcome. My heart grieves for those that except the lie that there is no other way but to walk in utter darkness and depravity.

I know that there are many that have been completely delivered from homosexuality and they have become living testimonies for those that want a way out.

Unfortunately, because of the stigma associated with this sin, they aren't at liberty to share their testimonies; therefore, the example of grace is hidden from those seeking their healing.

The word of God clearly states that there is hope for those struggling with homosexuality.

Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived(misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality.
Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.
And such some of you were (once). But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified (pronounced righteous, by trusting) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit of our God. I Corinthians 6:9-11 The Amplified Bible

Just as many of us once fit in one or many of these categories we have the assurance that Jesus washed us clean and now we are no longer slave to those sins.

Much blessings to you.

I'm the author of the article for those who are interested in having an intellectual conversation about it.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by brad2723

I'm the author of the article for those who are interested in having an intellectual conversation about it.

Are you sure you're ready for that, Brad?