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Old 11-17-2009, 02:28 PM
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Read the link in post #39

I don't believe it's overreaction - - facts are facts.
Definitely overreaction. Nothing but playing politics.

If he missed his cue, okay. But to suggest he's going to hand our country over to the Japanese because, in his mind, he was displaying humility and graciousness is ridiculous.

I'm not a BHO fan or voter, but so sick and tired of some of the whining on points that lack substance. Fox News isn't getting much playing time for me these days. At least for the time being. They are on time-out!
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I'm more concerned about what message it sent China and other nations than I am about people's opinons here.
A message to China? Seriously? Exactly what I mean by overreaction.
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Definitely overreaction. Nothing but playing politics.

If he missed his cue, okay. But to suggest he's going to hand our country over to the Japanese because, in his mind, he was displaying humility and graciousness is ridiculous.

I'm not a BHO fan or voter, but so sick and tired of some of the whining on points that lack substance. Fox News isn't getting much playing time for me these days. At least for the time being. They are on time-out!
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Or the lack of education.

One my younger employees was talking just yesterday about how they only taught comprehension reading as English in HS and not grammar.
I agree with the grammar stuff. I can't believe even the grammar levels of current teachers. But a lot of the things my children are learning is light years ahead of where we were. It seems to me to depend on the subject matter in question.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:33 PM
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And this is exactly why I'm no longer a registered republican. The final straw for me was the Trent Lott/Strom Thurmond fiasco. First, Lott says, "Things would have been much different if Thurmond would have been elected president", knowing FULL WELL that Thurmonds main platform was complete segregation. He KNEW Thurmond was a towering champion of opposing civil rights.

But that's not what got me....it was the aftermath. Sure enough, EVERY conservative talking head....Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.,.....tried to defend Lott. They wouldn't budge.

I thought, "Wow, these people don't get it. They're completely out of touch with the real world. Why in the world could they try to excuse that?"

I find myself still leaning toward conservative ideals but being completely frustrated with conservative mindset and stra-tee-gery.



A little ps......Pres. Bush was actually one republican that condemned Lott's statement.
More and more I'm politically ambivalent, and believe too many in the church are too engrossed in politics anyway. They invest in it with their time, emotions and countless hours of worthless debate. They fill their pulpits with it, to the point where evangelicalism is associated with a political party -- not wise IMO. Be involved, Discussed, be a member of a civic institution, but let's keep the main thing the main thing.

More and more, I like the kook, Ron Paul myself.
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LOL! a globe full of people who think surrender is the proper response to attack.

a globe full of people who think america needs to be taken down a notch or two.

a globe that doesnt like that America is the strongest nation and the most powerful economy in the world.


and they are happy with this nut of a president because he has singlehandedly done what they want.
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the education that young people get these days.
Honestly, what is stupid to me is ignoring the fact that one's messages are not resonating with the younger generation. We could argue about the nature of the education that younger people receive, but that does not change the fact that younger people are the future. In my opinion, making such a big deal out of things like this (I can't tell you how often I've seen it beat to death in conservative circles and mediums), just further serves to create the disconnect.
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I agree with the grammar stuff. I can't believe even the grammar levels of current teachers. But a lot of the things my children are learning is light years ahead of where we were. It seems to me to depend on the subject matter in question.
That is true. While I agree that too many kids are not learning what they should, I would guess that many times there is a shift in what kind of education and information is considered important in differing generations. There was a time in the not too distant past, when in many parts of the country learning to read and write even was not considered an educational priority.
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Definitely overreaction. Nothing but playing politics.

If he missed his cue, okay. But to suggest he's going to hand our country over to the Japanese because, in his mind, he was displaying humility and graciousness is ridiculous.

I'm not a BHO fan or voter, but so sick and tired of some of the whining on points that lack substance. Fox News isn't getting much playing time for me these days. At least for the time being. They are on time-out!
I completely disagree but I suspect that as a partisan, I won’t be treated as one speaking as an American so much as one who opposes Obama.

In my opinion, Obama is projecting American weakness. Clearly Obama intends to project America as a more humble nation that what he perceives we did under GWB. I might disagree with him about that but that is an “in house” disagreement. This action however, was over the line. American Presidents do not bow to foreign leaders.

It stands against the very thing America was founded on. That all men are created equal. That no man by virtue of birth is superior to another. It further projects weakness before other nations and that America stands ready to bow to everyone.

It would be vastly different if the act were done in compliance with standing international custom; however, we have a very nice video in this thread that proves that no other national leader acted with such deference. What Obama did was out of character for all National leaders.

It is also important to take it in context with other flubs Obama has done related to this kind of thing. Consider that he bowed to the Saudi King, took heat for it and denied the act.
Consider that on the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Poland, Obama withdrew support for a missile defense system being deployed to Poland! Deference to the Russians for no good reason! While at the same time he bows to these men he refuses to see the Dalai Lama because the Chinese won’t like it, and he snubs the English who knows why. Then trying to make up for that he sends the queen of England an Ipod with his speeches on it!

It is insane what he is doing. It is maddening and there has not been an over reaction. If anything, there is an under reaction. Obama is working hard to lower America’s image in the world ,and in doing so he is projecting serious weakness.
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Honestly, what is stupid to me is ignoring the fact that one's messages are not resonating with the younger generation. We could argue about the nature of the education that younger people receive, but that does not change the fact that younger people are the future. In my opinion, making such a big deal out of things like this (I can't tell you how often I've seen it beat to death in conservative circles and mediums), just further serves to create the disconnect.
you may be right. I dont agree. That doesnt mean I dont respect your view.
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