... Do you HONESTLY believe that Pater was telling women not to wear clothes?
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No, I don't think Peter was telling women not to wear clothes. I think he was telling them that their REAL adorning was not their jewelry, hair styles, and clothes but was something on the inside that shows up on the outside in their attitude and demeanor. All Bro. Hicks was doing was saying that if we take the first couple of things Peter mentioned (hair styling and jewelry) and ban them, we also have to take the third thing he mentioned (clothing) and ban it.
Last edited by Sam; 10-22-2009 at 06:36 PM.
Reason: correct typo
Well, when He allowed people to see Him, touch Him, and interact with Him as the Angel/Messenger of the Lord, He didn't appear naked. When He wrestled with Jacob I doubt that it was naked wrestling. He appeared in whatever the customary clothing of the day was at that time which would be a robe or "skirt" in the KJV. And, when He took on a permanent form/theophany as the Son of God, He dressed in the customary style of the day.
Well, when He allowed people to see Him, touch Him, and interact with Him as the Angel/Messenger of the Lord, He didn't appear naked. When He wrestled with Jacob I doubt that it was naked wrestling. He appeared in whatever the customary clothing of the day was at that time which would be a robe or "skirt" in the KJV. And, when He took on a permanent form/theophany as the Son of God, He dressed in the customary style of the day.
There are other references to men's skirts. I think it just means edge or hem of a garment, doesn't it?
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No, I don't think Peter was telling women not to wear clothes. I think he was telling them that their REAL adorning was not their jewelry, hair styles, and clothes but was something on the inside that shows up on the outside in their attitude and demeanor. All Bro. Hicks was doing was saying that if we take the first couple of things Peter mentioned (hair styling and jewelry) and ban them, we also have to take the third thing he mentioned (clothing) and ban it.
I understand what Bro. Hicks was doing, but the literal transliteration from the Greek manuscripts is "....wearing of apparel, ADORNING." Check out the NIV, NKJV, RSV, NASB [I think?], to see the most literal translations of the verse.
I understand what Bro. Hicks was doing, but the literal transliteration from the Greek manuscripts is "....wearing of apparel, ADORNING." Check out the NIV, NKJV, RSV, NASB [I think?], to see the most literal translations of the verse.
Blessings..........
Where did you get that definition? Strong's says that "putting on" means: investment with clothing: - putting on. [endusis] and "apparel" means: Neuter of a presumed derivative of ἕννυμι hennumi (to put on); a dress (inner or outer): - apparel, cloke, clothes, garment, raiment, robe, vesture.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Well, when He allowed people to see Him, touch Him, and interact with Him as the Angel/Messenger of the Lord, He didn't appear naked. When He wrestled with Jacob I doubt that it was naked wrestling. He appeared in whatever the customary clothing of the day was at that time which would be a robe or "skirt" in the KJV. And, when He took on a permanent form/theophany as the Son of God, He dressed in the customary style of the day.
.....the verse in question is Ezek. 16, where God says that He covered Jerusalem w/ His "skirt." Should we then interpret this to mean that He literally "covered" the entire city in His "skirt"....& then put a "nose-ring" in the city of Jerusalem's nose?!?!?
Clearly, the passages employed by jewelry advocates are to be understood as figures of speech reflecting the beauty [as the jewels] of God's Mercy, & not in any way endorsing personal ornamentation.
Where did you get that definition? Strong's says that "putting on" means: investment with clothing: - putting on. [endusis] and "apparel" means: Neuter of a presumed derivative of ἕννυμι hennumi (to put on); a dress (inner or outer): - apparel, cloke, clothes, garment, raiment, robe, vesture.
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I'm not talking about the definitions of the words, though certainly applicable, but rather the actual Greek Manuscripts of the verse. This is why the more modern translations [taken from manuscripts far older than what the KJV had available to them] adopt the verse as I state above [see NKJV, RSV, NIV, NASB].
But, really, all of this is a departure from the original topic. Does God condemn personal ornamentation by His people in His Word? Yes [See Deut. 7:25, I Tim. 2:9, for ex.].
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