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Old 10-02-2009, 08:03 PM
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I am referencing this passage. lol

John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

He says He will and I believe it. If I humble myself before him and sincerely follow Him, I will die with all the truth He has given me to make it to Heaven. That is what I believe.
The context of that passage is spoken to the disciples not to individual believers 2000 years later.
Continue reading and see if these sounds like he is talking to believers in general or to the disciples.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:07 PM
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:10 PM
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The context of that passage is spoken to the disciples not to individual believers 2000 years later.
Continue reading and see if these sounds like he is talking to believers in general or to the disciples.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Hang on. Let me log out of Facebook. LOL! I need to read this slowly.
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:17 PM
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The context of that passage is spoken to the disciples not to individual believers 2000 years later.
Continue reading and see if these sounds like he is talking to believers in general or to the disciples.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
In the context of the whole chapter he also begins with John 16:7-8 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (8) And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

These are things that they preached in other Epistles written to the churches. He does say that He speaks of things to come, but it also says that the comforter came to reprove the world of sin, righteousness and judgment - for then and now - He speaks to them and it speaks to us.
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:31 PM
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It sounds like Jesus is pointing to the Day of Pentecost here, Baron.

I like this passage in the Contemporary English Version.

John 16
1I am telling you this to keep you from being afraid. 2You will be chased out of the Jewish meeting places. And the time will come when people will kill you and think they are doing God a favor. 3They will do these things because they don't know either the Father or me. 4I am saying this to you now, so that when the time comes, you will remember what I have said.

I was with you at the first, and so I didn't tell you these things.

The Work of the Holy Spirit


5But now I am going back to the Father who sent me, and none of you asks me where I am going. 6You are very sad from hearing all of this. 7But I tell you that I am going to do what is best for you. That is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help you until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you.

8The Spirit will come and show the people of this world the truth about sin and God's justice and the judgment. 9The Spirit will show them that they are wrong about sin, because they didn't have faith in me. 10They are wrong about God's justice, because I am going to the Father, and you won't see me again. 11And they are wrong about the judgment, because God has already judged the ruler of this world.

12I have much more to say to you, but right now it would be more than you could understand. 13The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn't speak on his own. He will tell you only what he has heard from me, and he will let you know what is going to happen. 14The Spirit will bring glory to me by taking my message and telling it to you. 15Everything that the Father has is mine. That is why I have said that the Spirit takes my message and tells it to you.


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16Jesus told his disciples, "For a little while you won't see me, but after a while you will see me. "

17They said to each other, "What does Jesus mean by saying that for a little while we won't see him, but after a while we will see him? What does he mean by saying that he is going to the Father? 18What is this `little while' that he is talking about? We don't know what he means."

19Jesus knew that they had some questions, so he said:

You are wondering what I meant when I said that for a little while you won't see me, but after a while you will see me. 20I tell you for certain that you will cry and be sad, but the world will be happy. You will be sad, but later you will be happy.

21When a woman is about to give birth, she is in great pain. But after it is all over, she forgets the pain and is happy, because she has brought a child into the world. 22You are now very sad. But later I will see you, and you will be so happy that no one will be able to change the way you feel. 23When that time comes, you won't have to ask me about anything. I tell you for certain that the Father will give you whatever you ask for in my name. 24You have not asked for anything in this way before, but now you must ask in my name. [a] Then it will be given to you, so that you will be completely happy. 25I have used examples to explain to you what I have been talking about. But the time will come when I will speak to you plainly about the Father and will no longer use examples like these. 26You will ask the Father in my name, [b] and I won't have to ask him for you. 27God the Father loves you because you love me, and you believe that I have come from him. 28I came from the Father into the world, but I am leaving the world and returning to the Father. 29The disciples said, "Now you are speaking plainly to us! You are not using examples. 30At last we know that you understand everything, and we don't have any more questions. Now we believe that you truly have come from God."

31Jesus replied:

Do you really believe me? 32The time will come and is already here when all of you will be scattered. Each of you will go back home and leave me by myself. But the Father will be with me, and I won't be alone. 33I have told you this, so that you might have peace in your hearts because of me. While you are in the world, you will have to suffer. But cheer up! I have defeated the world. [c]
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:35 PM
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How does John 7:37,38,39 read in that bible,PO ?
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...Trintarians are saved, they have placed saving faith in the work of Christ.
Are we allowed to say that on an Apostolic Forum?
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How does John 7:37,38,39 read in that bible,PO ?
John 7:37-39 (Contemporary English Version)

Streams of Life-Giving Water
37On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and shouted, "If you are thirsty, come to me and drink! 38Have faith in me, and you will have life-giving water flowing from deep inside you, just as the Scriptures say." 39Jesus was talking about the Holy Spirit, who would be given to everyone that had faith in him. The Spirit had not yet been given to anyone, since Jesus had not yet been given his full glory. [a]

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1. John 7:39 had not yet been given his full glory: In the Gospel of John, Jesus is given his full glory both when he is nailed to the cross and when he is raised from death to sit beside his Father in heaven.


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So just out of couriosity, did you modify your original assessment based on thinking he may be more to the left than you had thought?
I modified my statement based off of a conversation I had with a Christian who is knowledgeable concerning DB's contributions to the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Gospel is the Good News that delivers souls from the clutches of sin.

The Gospel is not the legalism of a dead religion that hurries souls to hell.


I have been told that DB has done a lot to spread the Gospel of Christ in Texas, via the UPCI.

I like what I heard and I trust the words of the one who told me. I am glad he was elected.
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