233 years of democracy & freedom????? Don't you mean WHITE MAN FREEDOM
In 1964 Blacks and Mexicans, born in the US, who served in the US Army could not set down and eat with a White man in Big Springs Texas. You call that FREEDOM???? They could not drink from the same water fountain. They could not set in the front of a bus. How about the pole tax FREEDOM.
How about the FREEDOM of the NATURAL BORN NATIVES of America.
How about "THE Patriot ACT" That FREEDOM Stealing act was perpetrated by none other that the man who said he would like to be a dictator. G. W. Bush.
Go ask an African in Africa and Mexicans in Mexico and ask them if they would rather be a citizen of their country or a citizen of America. The blood of MANY white men flowed from Vicksburg to Gettysburg, over 500,000 men to be precise, so that the sin of slavery would come to an end. AND MANY white people marched alongside Dr. King and others on Washington and at Selma and other places to combat civil rights abuses. Native Americans were treated wrongfully for sure, but today they enjoy no taxes, political sovereignty, and many are living prosperously due to the many casions and resorts they have built on their reservations. I have friends that work for the Indians and they are paid very well and have great benefits.
Our system isnt perfect, hasnt been perfect will never be prefect, but you name ONE country you would rather be a citizen of! You want to live in Rwanda or Congo and watch your children's and wife's bloated bodies float down the river due to genocidal tribal warfare? You want to live in Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe? Why are the Latinos flocking here, willing to risk imprisonment or arrest at the border EVERY DAY? Why arent we losing our citizens to mass exodus to the borders of Venezuela, Cuba, or Nigeria? You know why---I dont have to tell you---its because America, in spite of its errors and failures still stands as a beacon to the whole world that if you want to work, if you want a better way of life, if you want to find peace and security and a better future---its here. There are millions upon millions of people who are living testimonies to this nations greatness and they are white, black, yellow, red from all over the world!
There have been a lot of horrible things done by whites to others, for sure. But what about the many wonderful things that white people have done to end those injustices? A white President pushed the Civil Rights Act, JFK. A white President signed it into law, LBJ. Some white people were bigots and hateful. Not all. And I have experienced racism coming from blacks toward me, toward my children, I have experienced it from Latinos and others because I am white. But I don't judge an entire nation for it. I dont judge entore races for it. Im not bitter about it. I still do my best to live for God and forgive my enemies and live responsibly.
I'll put America up against any other nation in the world any day. Warts and all. God bless America!
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Obamas plane will do that. The Ins will have to lowere cost so that they will be able to stay in business. No $3000,000.00 a day CEO
Here again Obams plan will do just that. Lowere the cost for all.
Obamas plan does that.
It's called public option. Just heard the reb. fro Wyoming said he was afraid if there is a public option all small business would drop private ins. and go with the public option.
What is your eye site worth when you are blinded by a dooctors malpractice??? Maybe we should go back to an Eye for a Eye. If the doctor takes out the wrong organ remove the doctors organ. Works for me.
All ready tried doesn't work.
It's called a public option.
That's what Obamas plan will do.
Please Ferd what are the bill numbers for these bills?????????
"Obama's Plan"? He hasnt submitted anything. The Congress has. He is not leading the way here, the House and Senate are. We really dont know what are the details he is favor of or against.
The answers you submit above have one caveat: it is run by the government not the free market. Your support goes for higher taxes and trillions of new debt to our nation. Ferds proposals can be enforced into the market without heavy taxation and adding to the national debt.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Free for who?? The Indians who were slaughtered??? The Black man??? The Mexican man????
Oh that's right freedom for the Anglo is all that matters.
You are spoiled. You have serious bitterness issues. You wouldnt last one year in Somalia, Bolivia, Uraguay, Ghana, Liberia, Guatemala or Malawi. You would be beating a path to America as fast as you could because no matter what sins we as a nation have committed, we are still the best place to live on the planet. PERIOD!
Honestly you need to start another thread, this has NOTHING to do with government run healthcare. By the way, what oppression are you living with right now Light? How is America treating you? What are your issues with the present state of affairs?
Clarence Thomas seems to be doing just fine on the Supreme Court even though he lived in racist Georgia in the 1950s and 60s. It didnt stop him from working hard and getting good grades and rising through the ranks to become a SC Justice.
Condolezza Rice did pretty good for herself. There are thousands of black entrepeneurs, thousands of black millionaires, thousands of black students in universities all over the country. What's the problem?
(if you havent noticed---we also have a black President) Cry me a river, build a bridge and GET OVER IT!
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Obamas plane will do that. The Ins will have to lowere cost so that they will be able to stay in business. No $3000,000.00 a day CEO
Here again Obams plan will do just that. Lowere the cost for all.
Obamas plan does that.
It's called public option. Just heard the reb. fro Wyoming said he was afraid if there is a public option all small business would drop private ins. and go with the public option.
What is your eye site worth when you are blinded by a dooctors malpractice??? Maybe we should go back to an Eye for a Eye. If the doctor takes out the wrong organ remove the doctors organ. Works for me.
All ready tried doesn't work.
It's called a public option.
That's what Obamas plan will do.
Please Ferd what are the bill numbers for these bills?????????
Everywhere you say Obama's plan does that, insert with it, that it is provided by a government run system. A system run by a government that has proven time and again that it cannot do half the job that the private sector can do.
case in point: Post Office/ Social Security/ Medicare.
All government run items that are in serious financial hardship if not outright bankrupt!
and Obama's plan does not lower the cost of healthcare. It lowers what some Americans will pay for healthcare.
what this plan does is increase demand for care which drives up the cost of care yet at the same time places the burden for the cost on the government which in turn will have to either
Raise taxes
or
ration care.
NOTHING in this bill works to create compitition. NOTHING in this bill works to increase supply. ALL of this at a time when we are at the highest rate of deficit spending (as a percentage of GDP) in our nations history WITHOUT this new healthcare plan.
Obamas plan (it really is the Democrats in Congress as Obama has not been involved in the actual writing of the bill) does not address the really important aspects that need to be dealt with. COST COST COST.
he just wants to take 500 BILLION out of Medicare which is already bankrupt.
sorry Light, this plan doesnt fix anything. it is a BAD solution.
As for Tort reform, there is no question that we need access to remedy when a doctor makes a horrible mistake. REFORM doesnt mean take a person's right to remedy away from them.
it mean fixing a system that is broken.... and ours is broken.
I will see if I can get you some bill numbers.
that might take until tomorrow.
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Go ask an African in Africa and Mexicans in Mexico and ask them if they would rather be a citizen of their country or a citizen of America. The blood of MANY white men flowed from Vicksburg to Gettysburg, over 500,000 men to be precise, so that the sin of slavery would come to an end. AND MANY white people marched alongside Dr. King and others on Washington and at Selma and other places to combat civil rights abuses. Native Americans were treated wrongfully for sure, but today they enjoy no taxes, political sovereignty, and many are living prosperously due to the many casions and resorts they have built on their reservations. I have friends that work for the Indians and they are paid very well and have great benefits.
Our system isnt perfect, hasnt been perfect will never be prefect, but you name ONE country you would rather be a citizen of! You want to live in Rwanda or Congo and watch your children's and wife's bloated bodies float down the river due to genocidal tribal warfare? You want to live in Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe? Why are the Latinos flocking here, willing to risk imprisonment or arrest at the border EVERY DAY? Why arent we losing our citizens to mass exodus to the borders of Venezuela, Cuba, or Nigeria? You know why---I dont have to tell you---its because America, in spite of its errors and failures still stands as a beacon to the whole world that if you want to work, if you want a better way of life, if you want to find peace and security and a better future---its here. There are millions upon millions of people who are living testimonies to this nations greatness and they are white, black, yellow, red from all over the world!
There have been a lot of horrible things done by whites to others, for sure. But what about the many wonderful things that white people have done to end those injustices? A white President pushed the Civil Rights Act, JFK. A white President signed it into law, LBJ. Some white people were bigots and hateful. Not all. And I have experienced racism coming from blacks toward me, toward my children, I have experienced it from Latinos and others because I am white. But I don't judge an entire nation for it. I dont judge entore races for it. Im not bitter about it. I still do my best to live for God and forgive my enemies and live responsibly.
I'll put America up against any other nation in the world any day. Warts and all. God bless America!
I believe 635,000 is the most quoted number of Civil War dead....
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In my travels in Canada ( I did business in all Providences) I never talked to one person that wanted to give up their government health care.
Some on the right on this forum have given so much misinformation and false hoods it is pathetic.
Amen and amen. Propaganda is wild here in the USA. I am missing the Canadian medicare VERY MUCH!!
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Here is some not-so-ugly truth about Canada's healthcare, written by an ex-pat American living in Canada, Diane Francis, entitled "U.S. health care lies about Canada" published in the Financial Post (May 12, 2009).
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Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32 million people costs roughly what the private-sector health insurance companies make in profits in the United States looking after less than half the population for excessive premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still change employers and be employable because they are not rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care should be compared and there are tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance companies.
I would have to honestly say that I would much rather hear from the Canadian members of AFF about the realities of their healthcare than some of the pundits arguing on either side. I think that that is one of the great benefits of a World Wide Web...the fact that we can hear from the horses mouth. I'm not saying that I want Canada's healthcare, I'm just saying that it is nice to be able to hear about it from someone who lives it and does not have an agenda or a dog in this fight. I appreciate the insight.
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