Universal Health Insurance & Abortion:

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I served as a government Account Reconciler for 5 years. And I can tell you... the loss incured to the auto-repair industry isn't passed down to all motorists as with medicine.

So you are a clerk working for the government.
Do you either handle or prepare Corporate financial statements? Balance sheets, Income statements? Changes in Cash flow? Have you ever?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Liar, liar. LOL Get the facts. That can't happen. It's merely government subsidization of private plans negotiated for the American people through a private health insurance company.

It looks like you have a problem.

You are a government clerk and you claim to be an expert on health care?

80% of the H.s. Dropouts voted for obama.

Historic!!!!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Where did he say he wanted to get rid of private health insurance? Please try and provide an entire source this time and not an edited one.

Here is the entire Obama campaign "myth busting" statement:


Fact Check: Obama Consistent in His Position on Single Payer Health Care


January 21, 2008


Rhetoric: "Today, he opposes single payer health care, and attacks Sen. Clinton for proposing a plan that covers everyone"

Reality: Obama Has Consistently Said That If We Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System, But Now We Need To Build On The System We Have If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. The New Yorker wrote, "'If you're starting from scratch,' he [Obama] says, 'then a single-payer system'-a government-managed system like Canada's, which disconnects health insurance from employment-'would probably make sense. But we've got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that's not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they've known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside.'" [New Yorker, 5/7/07]


If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. "At a roundtable with a handful of invited guests at Lindy's Diner in Keene, Obama said if he were starting from scratch, he would probably propose a single payer health care system, but because of existing infrastructure, he created a proposal to improve the current system." [Concord Monitor, 8/14/07]


If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. Obama said, "Here's the bottom line. If I were designing a system from scratch I would probably set up a single-payer system...But we're not designing a system from scratch...And when we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices....Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system. For now, I just want to make sure every American is covered...I don't want to wait for that perfect system...The one thing you should ask about the candidates though is who's gonna have the capacity to actually deliver on the change?...I believe I've got a better capacity to break t he gridlock and attract both Independents and Republicans to work together." [http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/community/tag/Ames]


The Obama campaign is giving a very accurate description of a gradualist approach to slip socialized medicine past the "ignorant" American people. Like twisp.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...s_transit.html

[SOUNWORTHY]

Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan will be
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,
signed by a president who smokes,
funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that is nearly broke.


What possibly could go wrong?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan will be
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,
signed by a president who smokes,
funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that is nearly broke.


What possibly could go wrong?

And the word "abortion" isn't in the bill but it is covered in indirect wording.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esther

They do indeed have you brain washed. I don't appreciate being called a liar. Coadie has posted the link where Obama and the CA politican both admit they want to get rid of the private insurance company. Their goal is government health care only.

But I don't want to bust your bubble so believe what you want I have no desire to convince you. The information is there.

Do you really think the government is capable of dissolving a billion dollar health insurance industry? LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTYvK...layer_embedded

This congress person admits to abortion coverage in the Obama scare plans.

Exactly! But here's the point... if it's covered under liberals... it can be denied coverage and funding under conservatives. All by executive order. If funding would be cut to any facility offering such procedures where would people turn for them? There are four fronts to the abortion war. Abortion's legality (which we're not winning at all), abortion's morality (which we are winning, most Americans are pro-life to some degree), abortion's financing (which if taking out of private hands it can be cut or strictly regulated), and abortion's access (which has to be judged regionally but you'd be suprised how difficult it is to open and run clinics providing these services in various areas). It's like Chess... if we put the funding for the procedure in government's hands today... it will be in our hands tomorrow when the political climate swings into the conservative pro-lifer's favor. Then we pull an Ireland.

[Aquila]

[QUOTE=coadie;787387]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie,
[INDENT]The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report - See also Spreadsheet Details (731kb)

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

See also: Healthy Life Expectancy By Country
See also: Health Performance Rank By Country
See also: Total Health Expenditure as % of GDP (2000-2005) See also: Main Country Ranks Page

This is information for idiots. Afghanistan has a GDP of 489 dollars and if all that is equal to healthcare expenditure, then they get a high rank.

WHO is not a medical enterprise. They are a political mess.

France. that says it all. France is a place to stay away from and they get a high ranking.

Uneducatated rubes like yourself have no concept in experimental design and how to test. Health care rank is about like ranking weather. There are so incredibly many procedures most regional hospitals in the U.s. do and maybe only one or two in france can. They are 30 years behind but ranked number 1??

How much is spent on medical research in France annually?

If they are so hot, why is their average hospital stay so long? If people are well served, they get dismissed.

Have you been to France?

Hospital stays are longer because their standards of recovery are different. In the United States we process people and get them home quickly to save money leaving them to recover without medical supervision. My father-in-law Mark died a little over four years ago. He had heart surgery and was released after almost a week. He had complications within three days of returning home that essentially killed him. Frankly, Americans should stay longer for a better recovery.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Bad answer. You said your insurance was less money than I pay. I asked you how much I pay. Your answer is NOT what i pay. do you always make statements before gathering information?

You do not know what I pay!!!

Okay, fair enough. What do you pay for health insurance?

And please note, my statement was only based on if you had my plan, which is far better than most.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

So you are a clerk working for the government.
Do you either handle or prepare Corporate financial statements? Balance sheets, Income statements? Changes in Cash flow? Have you ever?

I'm no longer an Account Reconciler. While serving in that position I prepaired bids, contracts, processed purchase orders, and essentially paid bills and contactors. I got to see how money is juggled within the government system. It was interesting.

Today I'm serving as the Security Access Coordinator for a local airport. I screen applicants by compiling criminal histories and Security Threat Assessments prior to hiring. I also run regular security audits on airline employees and generate various reports for the FBI and DHS. A lot of SSI and CTTI.