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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
LOL! Okay, I take the "prayer of salvation" as a "give your hear to Jesus" and that's it. Perhaps it's my stereotypical thinking of TBN. Some things are good, but overall, I can do without it.
I'm sure that's what Clifton was referring to, but we all know that's not how it works and so did Bro. Johnson!
Re: REX JOHNSON -TBN WED. MARCH 11th 9:00 PM Centr
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
I'm sure that's what Clifton was referring to, but we all know that's not how it works and so did Bro. Johnson!
See? That's how I viewed it!!! He went over Clifton's head - fo sho!!! Now, he was being polite, as usual - well except for dissing us........ Okay, I just dropped it!
Re: REX JOHNSON -TBN WED. MARCH 11th 9:00 PM Centr
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
It was a good prayer. Praying for the hungry heart - you can reach to the uttermost.......
It's not that he had to quote Acts 2:38. By his prayer and knowing him, his prayer would lead the hungry to find truth. It was a most excellent prayer. He seemed, IMO, to ignore the "prayer of salvation" request and prayed what he knew to be true. I loved it!!!!
I thought the prayer was great, but why would we "ignore" any invitation to pray for jesus to come into hearts. Guess I don't understand ...
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Re: REX JOHNSON -TBN WED. MARCH 11th 9:00 PM Centr
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I thought the prayer was great, but why would we "ignore" any invitation to pray for jesus to come into hearts. Guess I don't understand ...
I'm referring to the "Sinner's prayer". I've done that. I didn't have as many cards as Jeff Arnold, but I had a couple. LOL! You repeat the prayer, they take you to a room, talk to you and that's it. No strength in that - at least there wasn't for me. I was sincere as I could be, but it didn't set me free!
Re: REX JOHNSON -TBN WED. MARCH 11th 9:00 PM Centr
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I'm referring to the "Sinner's prayer". I've done that. I didn't have as many cards as Jeff Arnold, but I had a couple. LOL! You repeat the prayer, they take you to a room, talk to you and that's it. No strength in that - at least there wasn't for me. I was sincere as I could be, but it didn't set me free!
I agree. I see nothing wrong with praying for Jesus to come into your heart. However, the typical conclusion for many at the end of the prayer is to declare that all who repeated those words were now saved (hence the "Salvation Prayer"). I know that there are those who agree with this, but it does not jibe with my interpretation of the totality of New Testament Salvation scripture.
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Re: REX JOHNSON -TBN WED. MARCH 11th 9:00 PM Centr
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I agree. I see nothing wrong with praying for Jesus to come into your heart. However, the typical conclusion for many at the end of the prayer is to declare that all who repeated those words were now saved (hence the "Salvation Prayer"). I know that there are those who agree with this, but it does not jibe with my interpretation of the totality of New Testament Salvation scripture.
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Asking Jesus to come into our hearts is not repentance. Now if in the process of asking Jesus to come into their hearts a person feels remorse and a desire to turn from their sinful lifestyle and begins to speak in tongues as evidence that the Spirit of Jesus came into their hearts, then that would be more in line with what the Bible teaches, IMO.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Asking Jesus to come into our hearts is not repentance. Now if in the process of asking Jesus to come into their hearts a person feels remorse and a desire to turn from their sinful lifestyle and begins to speak in tongues as evidence that the Spirit of Jesus came into their hearts, then that would be more in line with what the Bible teaches, IMO.
Agreed!
You are reminding me of a story I heard. A woman lifts her hands and begins speaking in tongues. Another woman in church confronts the pastor about that after the service.
"Well, I don't think she repented!", she said.
The pastor told her that she did repent or she wouldn't have received the Holy Ghost. God won't put new wine in an old vessel.
The lady was not satisfied. The pastor asked her, "What did you want her to do?"
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I want to correct something I said in a post earlier about KC's church in Austin back in the day. I stated that 90% of his congregatoin was "converts" from other UPC churches. While I stand by the statement that a significant number of his saints were from other UPC churches someone who I have complete confidence in and who was very close to that situation has PM'd me that there were many new converts also who were not recycled saints from other UPC churches.
I am just glad any discussion of KC pastoring in Austin gets to be in the past tense! LOL
Between Kenneth Phillips at Promiseland Church and David Barnerd at the UPC one the North of Austin is covered and with Rex Johnson and Randy Phillips in the South that is covered also.
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Now, he was being polite, as usual - well except for dissing us........
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