Contract Question

[shag]

Originally Posted by sjfc.contract

Is it normal to have your platform ministry and all Sunday School Teachers Sign the following? Is this Biblical? This started last year with just the platform ministries. This year they have added Sunday School. What will be next? What about "convictions" or finding your own salvation?

Core Leadership Contract

I recognize that this ministry is a visible place of service in the congregation and I agree to uphold all of the following teachings of Church to the best of my ability.

• I will be faithful in tithes and offerings.
• I will be faithful in prayer, evangelism and attendance, placing my own plans and schedules second to my position of ministry on the platform.
• I will uphold the outward standards of Modesty in dress and behavior.
• I will uphold the Spiritual teachings of men and women’s hair.
• I understand that women do not cut/intentionally break or any other method of purposely interrupting the growth of their hair. I understand that men are to keep a short and neat hairstyle at all times regardless of fashions or trends promoted in the world around them. As either of these are a sign of rejecting God’s divine authority over our lives. I understand that I will not color my hair or change the natural color that God has given me.
• I understand the wearing of jewelry other than wedding bands/rings is prohibited by scripture and I will refrain from doing so at anytime while serving in this capacity.
• I will not intentionally use technology that allows me to engage in watching broadcast television or any form of Hollywood-produced entertainment (including movies rented through stores, internet, or mail order services).
• I will at all times uphold this example in my actions, attitudes and lifestyle.
• I will uphold a moral example for others to follow in every area of my life. I will act as God has required the Pastoral Leadership in all things.
• I will strive to set the atmosphere in every service with prayer and fasting.
• I will not “speak evil of” nor speak against the leadership of Church as a whole nor will I engage with those that do (this is not restricted to B S, P S or any church staff).
• I will at all times work in harmony with and cooperate with all ministries and leadership because I recognize that division prohibits Apostolic revival and impacts Spiritual Anointing.

I agree that if at any time I am in conflict with the above mentioned standards of Church and the Biblical principles it teaches, I will remove myself with explanation and will do so without attacking the leadership of this ministry or the leadership of the church as a whole.

I understand that my commitment to this ministry will expire on the last Sunday of January 2010.

Signature_________________________________________ __________
Date ________

Who actually made the list of the above standards of the church and the biblical principles IT teaches, the church or the pastor?

How exactly did this particular pastor receive his "office", by church nomination, thru the bloodline, someother way?

I'm not sure where the Holyghost fits into all of this, or if He fits at all, (other than tellin ya to stay or go, good grief).


I'm not convinced God designed the NT for only 1 man ruling over the saints with only his Spirit led interpretation of scripture. (acts 20:28 etc..)


"Give us a king to rule over us".




My mother recently signed a church(pastor's) contract similiar to this one. It also said that a new convert must be a member for a minimum of 1 yr. to do anything in the local assembly including being a door greeter. Boy that one go to to me.

NT balanced reasonable submission, we must have no doubt.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by shag

I'm not convinced God designed the NT for only 1 man ruling over the saints with only his Spirit led interpretation of scripture. (acts 20:28 etc..)


"Give us a king to rule over us".

NT balanced reasonable submission, we must have no doubt.

Amen... and amen...

In the OT they wanted a king... a king in place of God.

This is rule by a man in place of the rule of the Holy Spirit.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by CC1

nnnnnnnorth,

Welcome to the world of beng a second class Pentecostal! Sounds like you have one of those churches where you are welcome to attend services if you don't toe the extra biblical legalist line but don't expect to particpiate in ministry in any way.

This seems to be the latest trend in the UPC. I guess it is better than making those that don't toe the line feel totally unwelcome but I still find it a strange situation.

On the one hand your salvation is not called into question but on the other you aren't good enough to sing, play an instrument, or teach.

Although I don't agree with the contract posted AT ALL, I don't see anything wrong with some requirements for people who are being used in ministry in the church. We have people who I believe are saved, but because of life issues they struggle with, or because of recent failures, etc., we would not have them on the platform or teaching a class. Surely you can understand that! For example, if there is someone who smokes, we won't put him up as an example of leadership, but we do believe he is saved - he just has issues he needs to conquer. He would be welcome to be used in other areas of our church that is not leadership or mentoring. Our people understand this and it motivates them to try to get their lives in order.

We believe that our church is like a huge pyramid. The bottom is huge and open-ended; anyone is welcome. As people choose to move up the pyramid, it gets a little tighter with each step. There are more responsibilities added as you move up into more leadership. We are very strict on our staff, because they are at the top, and more is required of them.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by CAD/JPY

Thank you. I would tend to say that both passages work together to give us a clear understanding of what God wants. The theme can be consistently applied as we study other scripture. I would further propose that indeed Paul is making the comparison in verse 10 when he specifies "but what becomes women professing fear of God, through good works".

Then I would ask the reader to consider all the writings from I Tim. 2, specifically verses 8 to 15. Reading them, you will find that one must use other scriptures to understand the writer's intentions....

If I am going to take verse 9 to literally mean no gold, no braided hair, no pearls, and no costly array... then I must also literally take verse 11 "to learn in silence" and verse 12 "suffer not a women to teach" and verse 15 "she shall be saved in childbirth."

Rather I take verse 9 to mean that women should dress in decent clothes with modesty and sensibleness, showing their respect for God through good works. In today's words, look like a Christian, act like a Christian, and separate yourselves from the World through good deeds. Biblical mandates like loving your enemy, praying for them that spitefully use you, turning the other check, etc.

ok.
I guess I'll have to go back and take a second look at that.

Thanks again for your input.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Although I don't agree with the contract posted AT ALL, I don't see anything wrong with some requirements for people who are being used in ministry in the church. We have people who I believe are saved, but because of life issues they struggle with, or because of recent failures, etc., we would not have them on the platform or teaching a class. Surely you can understand that! For example, if there is someone who smokes, we won't put him up as an example of leadership, but we do believe he is saved - he just has issues he needs to conquer. He would be welcome to be used in other areas of our church that is not leadership or mentoring. Our people understand this and it motivates them to try to get their lives in order.

We believe that our church is like a huge pyramid. The bottom is huge and open-ended; anyone is welcome. As people choose to move up the pyramid, it gets a little tighter with each step. There are more responsibilities added as you move up into more leadership. We are very strict on our staff, because they are at the top, and more is required of them.

The word of God was not remiss in giving a plan to deal with sin in the church.

Sin is sin... when there is sin there are specific steps given to deal with that situation.

The word of God is the only contract we need and we should abide by it.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The word of God was not remiss in giving a plan to deal with sin in the church.

Sin is sin... when there is sin there are specific steps given to deal with that situation.

The word of God is the only contract we need and we should abide by it.

So would you put someone in as a Sunday School teacher if you knew they were smoking? Would you let them teach on the platform?

[KWSS1976]

Sherri I would let someone teach Sunday school that smoked,smoking is not a sin, but it is not good for you like alot of other things that we eat or drink I see no diffrence..

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Sherri I would let someone teach Sunday school that smoked,smoking is not a sin, but it is not good for you like alot of other things that we eat or drink I see no diffrence..

Well that's fine for you, but we feel like we should hold to a no alcohol; no nicotene policy for leadership. It's what we feel like God has spoken for Love & Truth - we're not saying it's right for everyone.

That's what I was trying to say..........each pastor and each house has to answer to God for what He speaks to them. I don't agree with the contract posted, but I do believe the pastor has a right to enforce whatever he wants for his house, under God. BUT--I don't believe he has the right to say they are heaven or hell issues if they aren't. If the people can't fit with what the pastor wants to put forth, then they should probably find another place to worship. I personally couldn't live with that contract, but I'm fine with the one we have, so I fit here. (Good thing, since my husband is the Senior Pastor.)

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Sherri

So would you put someone in as a Sunday School teacher if you knew they were smoking? Would you let them teach on the platform?

What does that have to do with whether or not certain people should be forced to sign a contract to take part in ministry among God's people?

As I have said... there is a specific plan in God's word to deal with sin. If there is something that is considered sin then that should be dealt with per the word of God.

The contract is not in that plan.

[CC1]

Sherri,

"Pyramid"???? I knew any church named "Love & Truth" hd to be new age!!!!!!!












J/K LOL!!!