__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I am a con in lifestyle, ultra con in family/marriage, and a liberal in my love for the brethren (including the non Oneness Pentecostal ones)!
You tell me. Doeth that not a moderate make?
No offense meant, SH.
Evidently, you're a one-stepper, and I generally consider 1-steppers to be "liberal"... but that's just me. Not everyone fits neatly into these different "boxes" (labels) we come up with. I'm a moderate conservative overall, but I'm sure there are some Cons and Ultra-cons who might consider me a liberal, and some liberals who would consider me a bit of a hard-liner.
In the end, I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder.
What really matters is that we are good Christians. I think we could both agree on that.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I know I'm opening myself up to get absolutely annilated (sp) but, I really want to know...
On another thread, I stood up for what I believe and "called" someone "out" for calling the experience I have a "cultish practice." As the thread then progressed I was told that the reason I believe what I do is for financial gain, position and power. Also, I went from "Sister CS" to "Mrs CS".
All of this said, I am beginning to wonder why I am taken to the woodshed, and yet the other person is allowed to say and get away with it because they have been "wounded"...well, honestly, I take that as a personal shot, I was wounded.
Many of you may not understand what I have gone through to live the way I do....I've had to fight for the ground I have gained in this wonderful way called the "Apostolic Lifestyle". I was 9 years old when GOD convicted me of wearing pants and did not have the Holy Ghost yet. I received the Holy Ghost at the age of 10 years on May 10th 1981. Bro. Leo Upton was preaching. My parents were not in church both were backsliders and I had to fight to do anything with the church and yet my parents let my younger sister do all sorts of things, and yet I had to FIGHT (beg and plead, actually) to do wholesome things with Godly people.
EVERY day in the summer I was at the church working. My choice. I loved to be in the HOUSE OF GOD even if it was only cleaning, working in my Sunday School class, picking up garbage out of the church yard or helping the older lady and her blind husband who lived behind the church, whatever it was I LOVED it.
I read my bible, studied it out for myself and God gave me a revelation of what the truth was. My mother was extremely charasmatic..(don't shoot me, but it's the truth anyway) she fought me tooth and nail. She would argue her stance and I would argue my stance. I HAD to study and I had to know my word and I had to have it in my heart. I was a bible quizzer, I was invovled in many things over the years.
Many of you think I am an UC ( I don't like labels really, even the word charasmatic bothers me, but that's what my Mom called herself) but actually I'm pretty middle of the road, but what bothers me most is that I am "called" unkind and harsh and that being unkind is my business....well, I take exception to that.
I am probably one of the most kind people you'll meet. I got out of my way to be nice to people who really don't even deserve that because that's one of my "job descriptions" as a pastor's wife. I truly love people and enjoy meeting all kinds of people. I enjoy the fact that we are all different. You may do some things that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make you unkind. You may stand for something that I don't, but that doesn't make you any less a person than I am.
I guess what I don't understand is that when people are bitter and they attack who I am and what I believe in with all my heart...(not because of money or position, either,) I stand up, after reading for months and years, that I and many others who believe like I do, am blasted and called unkind. I don't claim to be "Holier than thou" I am no better than anyone else on this forum. I have been wounded in the house of my friends, yet I am still there.
My experience is NOT up for attack!!! I didn't say this to lift myself up, just background and maybe a little eyeopener for why I, sometimes, tire of the attack on what I believe and come out swinging.
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot, but wanted you to know why I take such a strong stand, sometimes harshly, over what I live for.
No let's quote me correctly.
I stated after your blast post.
That you "have" to stand up for what you believe.
Because it is where you get your finances, you have your position and you have your friends.
If you do not believe this then leave and see who holds onto you as a friend....
You blasted someone for leaving.
Many things in the UPCI and some other organizations and some individual churhes are cultish in nature.
I know first hand as over the years many of the top list ministers and their families have just ripped good people in front of me.
I also was party to tearing folks down.
It is like me publically ripping on my place of employment.
I would never state anything that might cause me to lose my employment.
So those still holding onto a card in an organization will not be critical.
The many who went to Tulsa found that out.
That is why they got out.
So just get the context of what was being stated.
I would not consider being in the UPC a means for financial gain.
There still is life and abundantly outside the mothership....
Evidently, you're a one-stepper, and I generally consider 1-steppers to be "liberal"... but that's just me. Not everyone fits neatly into these different "boxes" (labels) we come up with. I'm a moderate conservative overall, but I'm sure there are some Cons and Ultra-cons who might consider me a liberal, and some liberals who would consider me a bit of a hard-liner.
In the end, I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder.
What really matters is that we are good Christians. I think we could both agree on that.
All good.
Bless you!
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I very, very seriously doubt you are doing what you do for financial gain. I believe you do it because to the core of your being, you believe in what you are doing.
Let's get it straight not for financial gain.
It is where they receive their finances.
Many have taken a bold step to leave the UPCI.
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
I wish we could keep it that way! Or see it that way all the time
Indeed! I truly appreciate EVERYONE here.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
And many in the UPCI God takes care of too.
And imagine the bold step of staying there.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Then they found out that God took care of them just fine.
Neck, I also know many who left to pursue what they considered to be considerably more financial gain. A broad brush painting those who leave in this light would be just as unfair as your implications here. I pray that we all will realize just how subjective our perspectives can be and refrain from assigning improper motives to many who we really know very little about.
JMHO
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